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A5s nut fd vs raise

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GingerKid
Joined: 05.08.2007

partypoker - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 88.86 BB (VPIP: 24.42, PFR: 12.79, 3Bet Preflop: 2.94, Hands: 88)
SB: 144.28 BB (VPIP: 18.73, PFR: 13.86, 3Bet Preflop: 4.41, Hands: 546)
BB: 102 BB (VPIP: 21.16, PFR: 16.45, 3Bet Preflop: 5.17, Hands: 4,413)
UTG: 107.2 BB (VPIP: 23.53, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 6.02, Hands: 208)
Hero (MP): 366.06 BB
CO: 93.3 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♣ 5♣

fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (6.5 BB, 2 players) 9♠ 3♣ Q♣
BB checks, Hero bets 3.08 BB, BB raises to 11.9 BB, Hero calls 8.82 BB

Turn: (30.3 BB, 2 players) 9♦
BB bets 14.4 BB, Hero calls 14.4 BB

River: (59.1 BB, 2 players) 2♦
BB checks, Hero checks

Spoiler

BB shows J♣ K♣ (One Pair, Nines) (Pre 41%, Flop 28%, Turn 20%)
Hero shows A♣ 5♣ (One Pair, Nines) (Pre 59%, Flop 72%, Turn 80%)
Hero wins 56.16 BB

should I write down that he has bet size tell here on turn, with draw? it makes 0 sense that he raises big and then half pot? obviously he didnt want to cc and didnt want expensive bet.


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mbml
Joined: 27.11.2008

well i think the tell is pretty useless here anyway,

you played it very standard - I see no point in betting the River with Ace high. You beat all worse draws and you lose to value hands which decides to raise thin OTF and c/c river


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jules97
Joined: 10.06.2012

How would you play this hand if you were villain?

1) If you x/c the flop, would you x/c the turn? And then X the river?

2) A decent spot to lead the turn, after x/c the flop? Or would you rather lead with something like KJo, KTs (assuming you don't have enough 9x for all).

3) How would you play your KJo, KJs, KTs and weak flush draws on the turn (assuming after x/c flop)?


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mbml
Joined: 27.11.2008

1. yes - i will just c/c with Ace high draws a lot cos they have SD value. But checkraising nut flush draws is also great cos you build the pot and you get to cooler lower flushes if both of you hit. With weaker flush draws, calling might be the better option since you can just pot control on flush runouts and allow your opponent to keep on bluffing

this argument isn't so strong if both players are willing to felt very wide ranges postflop

2. Well there's the 20% pot bet thing which you can do with your entire range. If you want to use a more polar large bet, you should probably check this since I would classify this more as a medium strength hand, and something like KJ as weak.

3. I'll consider bluff raising my weak flush draws, probably calling the combo draws (don't really want to build the pot when board is paired and there's reversed implied odds)


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jules97
Joined: 10.06.2012

I didn't explain well enough. I meant if you actually had villains hand also, so K:c:Jc, not A:c5:c. But I think you pretty much answered everything anyway, thanks.

fwiw, I went over a leading strategy in CREV and went with leading the turn with my 9x and some KJo guthsots, 2 low flushes and 3 TJs oesd's. Yeah, I think the KTs gutshots with a FD were plenty strong enough to just x/c.


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