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He seems more like a fish, not full stacked really trying to implement some Isildur/Durrr moves _biggrin:


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NightShadePMC
Joined: 16.11.2010

Sorry, I confused him with another player :P


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NightShadePMC
Joined: 16.11.2010

Wait...what?! :f_ugly:

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 100 BB
SB: 191.88 BB (VPIP: 17.24, PFR: 17.24, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 29)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 19.19, PFR: 12.83, 3Bet Preflop: 4.72, Hands: 797)
UTG: 112.04 BB (VPIP: 34.62, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 26)
UTG+1: 125.76 BB (VPIP: 14.40, PFR: 11.46, 3Bet Preflop: 4.88, Hands: 655)
MP: 144.4 BB (VPIP: 16.79, PFR: 13.74, 3Bet Preflop: 8.51, Hands: 133)
MP+1: 103.32 BB (VPIP: 13.23, PFR: 6.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.60, Hands: 433)
MP+2: 94.44 BB (VPIP: 20.42, PFR: 12.32, 3Bet Preflop: 3.51, Hands: 287)
CO: 99.08 BB (VPIP: 14.74, PFR: 11.58, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 97)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J♦ J♣

fold, fold, fold, fold, MP+2 raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero calls 3 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (7.4 BB, 2 players) 4♦ 6♣ 9♦
MP+2 checks, Hero bets 5.2 BB, MP+2 raises to 13.92 BB, Hero raises to 45.2 BB, MP+2 raises to 91.44 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 46.24 BB

Turn: (190.28 BB, 2 players) Q♣

River: (190.28 BB, 2 players) 2♣

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MP+2 shows A♦ T♠ (High Card, Ace) (Pre 29%, Flop 18%, Turn 7%)
Hero shows J♦ J♣ (One Pair, Jacks) (Pre 71%, Flop 82%, Turn 93%)
Hero wins 182.28 BB


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NightShadePMC
Joined: 16.11.2010

The LAG image in action versus 13/10/5 reg _evil:

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 189.04 BB (VPIP: 18.44, PFR: 13.76, 3Bet Preflop: 5.67, Hands: 1,120)
SB: 138.08 BB (VPIP: 18.75, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
Hero (BB): 104.28 BB
UTG: 198.44 BB (VPIP: 11.73, PFR: 7.79, 3Bet Preflop: 2.18, Hands: 818)
UTG+1: 53.76 BB (VPIP: 40.68, PFR: 28.81, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 59)
MP: 89.04 BB (VPIP: 12.35, PFR: 8.64, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 81)
MP+1: 91.04 BB (VPIP: 12.17, PFR: 8.70, 3Bet Preflop: 3.39, Hands: 464)
MP+2: 100 BB (VPIP: 13.32, PFR: 9.94, 3Bet Preflop: 5.33, Hands: 1,674)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 15.05, PFR: 11.75, 3Bet Preflop: 1.88, Hands: 1,467)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q♥ Q♠

fold, fold, fold, fold, MP+2 raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 9.4 BB, MP+2 calls 6.4 BB

Flop: (19.2 BB, 2 players) 9♠ J♥ 5♥
Hero bets 13.2 BB, MP+2 calls 13.2 BB

Turn: (45.6 BB, 2 players) J♦
Hero bets 81.68 BB and is all-in, MP+2 calls 77.4 BB and is all-in

River: (200.4 BB, 2 players) 8♦

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Hero shows Q♥ Q♠ (Two Pair, Queens and Jacks) (Pre 81%, Flop 91%, Turn 95%)
MP+2 mucks 7♦ 7♠ (Two Pair, Jacks and Sevens) (Pre 19%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)
Hero wins 192.4 BB


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Tomaloc
Joined: 17.01.2011

you make me realize that i have to abuse my image more often
people adjust in bizarre and nonsensical ways


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NightShadePMC
Joined: 16.11.2010

It's another one of those miracle outs days... _o: :rage:

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 83.72 BB (VPIP: 12.44, PFR: 8.81, 3Bet Preflop: 5.48, Hands: 196)
SB: 51.68 BB (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
BB: 95.2 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
Hero (UTG): 105.72 BB
UTG+1: 143.68 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
MP: 96.96 BB (VPIP: 16.01, PFR: 13.13, 3Bet Preflop: 2.43, Hands: 560)
MP+1: 169.28 BB (VPIP: 16.51, PFR: 12.87, 3Bet Preflop: 5.55, Hands: 1,772)
MP+2: 155.04 BB (VPIP: 14.60, PFR: 12.38, 3Bet Preflop: 6.99, Hands: 814)
CO: 109.56 BB (VPIP: 10.77, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 66)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K♠ K♣

Hero raises to 3.4 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB raises to 6.8 BB, Hero raises to 18 BB, BB calls 11.2 BB

Flop: (36.4 BB, 2 players) 3♥ 4♥ 4♣
BB bets 77.2 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 77.2 BB

Turn: (190.8 BB, 2 players) Q♠

River: (190.8 BB, 2 players) T♥

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BB shows Q♣ Q♥ (Full House, Queens full of Fours) (Pre 18%, Flop 12%, Turn 95%)
Hero mucks K♠ K♣ (Two Pair, Kings and Fours) (Pre 82%, Flop 88%, Turn 5%)
BB wins 182.8 BB

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 103.96 BB (VPIP: 17.27, PFR: 14.25, 3Bet Preflop: 5.15, Hands: 870)
SB: 139.4 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
Hero (BB): 115.52 BB
UTG: 388.88 BB (VPIP: 9.97, PFR: 4.32, 3Bet Preflop: 2.42, Hands: 304)
UTG+1: 118.96 BB (VPIP: 11.85, PFR: 9.25, 3Bet Preflop: 3.85, Hands: 1,125)
MP: 86.64 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: _, Hands: 4)
MP+1: 150.72 BB (VPIP: 16.12, PFR: 12.86, 3Bet Preflop: 3.29, Hands: 801)
MP+2: 67 BB (VPIP: 12.06, PFR: 6.52, 3Bet Preflop: 1.72, Hands: 1,034)
CO: 73.92 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 16.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 26)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 5♣ K♣

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2 BB, fold, Hero raises to 6.4 BB, BTN calls 4.4 BB

Flop: (13.2 BB, 2 players) 5♦ 2♣ 5♠
Hero bets 7.6 BB, BTN raises to 18.8 BB, Hero raises to 45.6 BB, BTN calls 26.8 BB

Turn: (104.4 BB, 2 players) 6♥
Hero bets 63.52 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 51.96 BB and is all-in

River: (208.32 BB, 2 players) T♥

Spoiler

Hero shows 5♣ K♣ (Three of a Kind, Fives) (Pre 70%, Flop 78%, Turn 7%)
BTN shows 5♥ 6♠ (Full House, Fives full of Sixes) (Pre 30%, Flop 22%, Turn 93%)
BTN wins 200.32 BB


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ouch...Last hand, he calls very wide BTN vs resteals, is it fine to resteal K5s ?


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NightShadePMC
Joined: 16.11.2010

His stats didn't suggest a wide calling range at all. I was surprised to see him with that shit.

Anyway, behold :facepalm::

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 98.6 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
SB: 123.32 BB (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 37)
BB: 96.68 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
UTG: 194 BB (VPIP: 21.15, PFR: 13.46, 3Bet Preflop: 3.17, Hands: 157)
UTG+1: 100 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
Hero (MP): 106.16 BB
MP+1: 228.64 BB
MP+2: 113.28 BB (VPIP: 11.32, PFR: 5.45, 3Bet Preflop: 0.50, Hands: 482)
CO: 237.32 BB (VPIP: 13.61, PFR: 9.62, 3Bet Preflop: 4.57, Hands: 555)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 8♠ 8♥

UTG raises to 2 BB, UTG+1 raises to 7 BB, Hero calls 7 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (17.4 BB, 2 players) 8♣ 9♦ Q♦
UTG+1 bets 9 BB, Hero raises to 23.6 BB, UTG+1 raises to 38.2 BB, Hero raises to 99.16 BB and is all-in, UTG+1 calls 54.8 BB and is all-in

Turn: (203.4 BB, 2 players) K♥

River: (203.4 BB, 2 players) T♠

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UTG+1 shows 4♥ 4♣ (One Pair, Fours) (Pre 19%, Flop 1%, Turn 0%)
Hero shows 8♠ 8♥ (Three of a Kind, Eights) (Pre 81%, Flop 99%, Turn 100%)
Hero wins 195.4 BB


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NightShadePMC
Joined: 16.11.2010

Wait,what?! :coolface:

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100.4 BB (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
SB: 146.2 BB (VPIP: 8.70, PFR: 4.35, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 125.4 BB (VPIP: 10.92, PFR: 6.83, 3Bet Preflop: 4.13, Hands: 296)
UTG+1: 56.84 BB (VPIP: 35.71, PFR: 21.43, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
MP: 88.72 BB (VPIP: 11.98, PFR: 7.46, 3Bet Preflop: 2.53, Hands: 1,247)
MP+1: 116.76 BB (VPIP: 21.93, PFR: 15.80, 3Bet Preflop: 4.62, Hands: 547)
MP+2: 101.16 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
CO: 162.76 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 3.57, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 28)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 9♣ Q♣

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, SB calls 2.6 BB, Hero raises to 12 BB, BTN calls 9 BB, fold

Flop: (27 BB, 2 players) K♥ Q♥ 9♠
Hero checks, BTN bets 14 BB, Hero calls 14 BB

Turn: (55 BB, 2 players) 4♠
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: (55 BB, 2 players) 8♦
Hero bets 38.4 BB, BTN calls 38.4 BB

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Hero shows 9♣ Q♣ (Two Pair, Queens and Nines) (Pre 61%, Flop 99%, Turn 95%)
BTN mucks 4♦ 5♦ (One Pair, Fours) (Pre 39%, Flop 1%, Turn 5%)
Hero wins 125.88 BB


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NightShadePMC
Joined: 16.11.2010

The wrong way to play KK:

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 184.52 BB (VPIP: 9.80, PFR: 7.84, 3Bet Preflop: 7.32, Hands: 105)
Hero (SB): 126.28 BB
BB: 127.64 BB (VPIP: 11.00, PFR: 8.08, 3Bet Preflop: 2.73, Hands: 1,688)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 17.36, PFR: 12.95, 3Bet Preflop: 5.14, Hands: 1,210)
UTG+1: 100 BB (VPIP: 16.96, PFR: 13.07, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 285)
MP: 111.12 BB (VPIP: 16.88, PFR: 12.51, 3Bet Preflop: 5.15, Hands: 1,097)
MP+1: 373.4 BB (VPIP: 8.89, PFR: 6.05, 3Bet Preflop: 2.97, Hands: 1,484)
MP+2: 35.08 BB (VPIP: 13.47, PFR: 3.16, 3Bet Preflop: 3.52, Hands: 479)
CO: 165.96 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 5♠ 6♣

fold, fold, fold, fold, MP+2 calls 1 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 0.6 BB, BB checks

Flop: (3 BB, 3 players) 8♦ 9♥ 7♦
Hero bets 2.72 BB, BB calls 2.72 BB, MP+2 raises to 9 BB, Hero raises to 125.28 BB and is all-in, fold, MP+2 calls 25.08 BB and is all-in

Turn: (73.88 BB, 2 players) 2♠

River: (73.88 BB, 2 players) Q♣

Spoiler

Hero shows 5♠ 6♣ (Straight, Nine High) (Pre 18%, Flop 95%, Turn 100%)
MP+2 mucks K♠ K♣ (One Pair, Kings) (Pre 82%, Flop 5%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins 70.56 BB


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Originally posted by NightShadePMC
His stats didn't suggest a wide calling range at all. I was surprised to see him with that shit.

Anyway, behold :facepalm::

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 98.6 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
SB: 123.32 BB (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 37)
BB: 96.68 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
UTG: 194 BB (VPIP: 21.15, PFR: 13.46, 3Bet Preflop: 3.17, Hands: 157)
UTG+1: 100 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
Hero (MP): 106.16 BB
MP+1: 228.64 BB
MP+2: 113.28 BB (VPIP: 11.32, PFR: 5.45, 3Bet Preflop: 0.50, Hands: 482)
CO: 237.32 BB (VPIP: 13.61, PFR: 9.62, 3Bet Preflop: 4.57, Hands: 555)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 8♠ 8♥

UTG raises to 2 BB, UTG+1 raises to 7 BB, Hero calls 7 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (17.4 BB, 2 players) 8♣ 9♦ Q♦
UTG+1 bets 9 BB, Hero raises to 23.6 BB, UTG+1 raises to 38.2 BB, Hero raises to 99.16 BB and is all-in, UTG+1 calls 54.8 BB and is all-in

Turn: (203.4 BB, 2 players) K♥

River: (203.4 BB, 2 players) T♠

Spoiler

UTG+1 shows 4♥ 4♣ (One Pair, Fours) (Pre 19%, Flop 1%, Turn 0%)
Hero shows 8♠ 8♥ (Three of a Kind, Eights) (Pre 81%, Flop 99%, Turn 100%)
Hero wins 195.4 BB

Got question about cold calling 88 having 3bet behind ? Reads or smth ? :)


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NightShadePMC
Joined: 16.11.2010

Given UTG's minraise and lack of hands that indicate he's a fish, it is very likely he will just call and we will see a flop at least 3-way, so my implied pot odds are looking very good here since I'm paying a little less than 1/14 of my stack to flop a set 1/8 times versus at least 2 players (so my chances of getting paid greatly increase) AND there is going to be a big pot on the flop which makes my job to get it all-in with my set a lot easier than if the pot was something like 7-8 BB, so this is a standard calling spot for me.


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NightShadePMC
Joined: 16.11.2010

Reg "adapting" to the lag style I play :coolface:

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 154 BB (VPIP: 27.69, PFR: 10.94, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 66)
SB: 155.92 BB (VPIP: 16.31, PFR: 12.06, 3Bet Preflop: 8.93, Hands: 144)
BB: 101.16 BB (VPIP: 15.21, PFR: 11.00, 3Bet Preflop: 3.38, Hands: 1,177)
UTG: 101.4 BB (VPIP: 17.97, PFR: 11.38, 3Bet Preflop: 3.39, Hands: 1,106)
UTG+1: 100 BB (VPIP: 5.56, PFR: 5.56, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 18)
MP: 110.12 BB (VPIP: 11.25, PFR: 10.03, 3Bet Preflop: 7.73, Hands: 583)
Hero (MP+1): 100 BB
MP+2: 60.64 BB (VPIP: 27.99, PFR: 16.04, 3Bet Preflop: 0.93, Hands: 271)
CO: 52.32 BB (VPIP: 14.98, PFR: 12.02, 3Bet Preflop: 5.53, Hands: 582)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q♥ Q♦

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3.4 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 2.4 BB

Flop: (7.2 BB, 2 players) 4♠ 4♦ J♦
BB checks, Hero bets 5.2 BB, BB calls 5.2 BB

Turn: (17.6 BB, 2 players) 9♥
BB checks, Hero bets 13.6 BB, BB calls 13.6 BB

River: (44.8 BB, 2 players) 3♥
BB checks, Hero bets 28.8 BB, BB calls 28.8 BB

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Hero shows Q♥ Q♦ (Two Pair, Queens and Fours) (Pre 71%, Flop 81%, Turn 89%)
BB mucks A♥ J♣ (Two Pair, Jacks and Fours) (Pre 29%, Flop 19%, Turn 11%)
Hero wins 97.8 BB


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NightShadePMC
Joined: 16.11.2010

Awwww, poor little nit :(

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 359.92 BB (VPIP: 14.95, PFR: 11.23, 3Bet Preflop: 4.71, Hands: 2,956)
SB: 187.12 BB (VPIP: 16.94, PFR: 13.90, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 928)
BB: 108 BB (VPIP: 23.02, PFR: 14.39, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 142)
UTG: 238.16 BB (VPIP: 15.15, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 201)
UTG+1: 100 BB (VPIP: 21.64, PFR: 14.62, 3Bet Preflop: 11.27, Hands: 173)
Hero (MP): 184.12 BB
MP+1: 119.8 BB (VPIP: 12.85, PFR: 9.68, 3Bet Preflop: 3.51, Hands: 602)
MP+2: 102.76 BB (VPIP: 9.55, PFR: 6.51, 3Bet Preflop: 2.68, Hands: 3,853)
CO: 72.76 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 9)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K♠ A♥

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, MP+2 calls 3 BB, fold, BTN raises to 12 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 9 BB, MP+2 raises to 102.76 BB and is all-in, fold, Hero calls 90.76 BB

Flop: (218.92 BB, 2 players) A♣ A♠ 8♥

Turn: (218.92 BB, 2 players) 5♦

River: (218.92 BB, 2 players) T♥

Spoiler

Hero shows K♠ A♥ (Three of a Kind, Aces) (Pre 44%, Flop 93%, Turn 95%)
MP+2 mucks J♠ J♥ (Two Pair, Aces and Jacks) (Pre 56%, Flop 7%, Turn 5%)
Hero wins 210.92 BB


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NightShadePMC
Joined: 16.11.2010

I love it when they go full retard _love:

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 113.64 BB (VPIP: 13.20, PFR: 8.99, 3Bet Preflop: 4.35, Hands: 361)
SB: 233.08 BB (VPIP: 19.59, PFR: 16.89, 3Bet Preflop: 7.02, Hands: 148)
BB: 108.68 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 66.67, 3Bet Preflop: 50.00, Hands: 3)
UTG: 350.2 BB (VPIP: 11.96, PFR: 6.35, 3Bet Preflop: 1.62, Hands: 1,093)
UTG+1: 103.56 BB (VPIP: 11.00, PFR: 8.38, 3Bet Preflop: 3.75, Hands: 1,001)
MP: 524.96 BB (VPIP: 16.57, PFR: 12.00, 3Bet Preflop: 4.17, Hands: 176)
MP+1: 107.04 BB (VPIP: 24.03, PFR: 19.48, 3Bet Preflop: 10.91, Hands: 156)
Hero (MP+2): 109.76 BB
CO: 337.88 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A♣ Q♣

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, CO calls 3 BB, fold, fold, BB raises to 108.68 BB and is all-in, Hero raises to 109.76 BB and is all-in, fold

Flop: (220.76 BB, 2 players) 3♠ 9♠ 6♦

Turn: (220.76 BB, 2 players) Q♥

River: (220.76 BB, 2 players) 5♠

Spoiler

BB shows A♠ J♣ (High Card, Ace) (Pre 25%, Flop 17%, Turn 0%)
Hero shows A♣ Q♣ (One Pair, Queens) (Pre 75%, Flop 83%, Turn 100%)
Hero wins 212.76 BB


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m3ta
Joined: 01.04.2009

Originally posted by NightShadePMC
Given UTG's minraise and lack of hands that indicate he's a fish, it is very likely he will just call and we will see a flop at least 3-way, so my implied pot odds are looking very good here since I'm paying a little less than 1/14 of my stack to flop a set 1/8 times versus at least 2 players (so my chances of getting paid greatly increase) AND there is going to be a big pot on the flop which makes my job to get it all-in with my set a lot easier than if the pot was something like 7-8 BB, so this is a standard calling spot for me.

I disagree. Assume every player behind you will 4-bet a 1.5% range. and the openraiser will 4 bet also with a 1.5% range opening around 10% of hands in the first place.

you are not getting 4 bet in 0.985^6*0.85 = 0.77 = 77%

if you do flop a set you will usually play for a 210bb pot - assuming you always get all the money in. your equity will be somewhere around 80%. so 68bb win on average ( 210*0.8- 100)

ev = 0.23*(-7) + 0.77*( 0.875*(-7) + 0.125*68) = 0.22

so now u gonna be paying rake too 4-8bb from the 210bb pot.
if the 3 bet is any bigger you go even deeper into the red.
the call might be accetable when less players are behind you and/or you get better odds (BU,BB) or someone alreay did flatcall the 3 bet, but that might also increase the chance of UTG just pushing a bit wider to collect the pot from all the guys that called behind.

edit: the assumptions are very generous


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NightShadePMC
Joined: 16.11.2010

That is a very detailed and insightful analysis of the situation (although you did miss out a few scenarios that are in my favor, such as the flop gets checked and I get a free turn card, the pot gets checked to showdown and I have the best hand or I take both player's stacks). Thank you for pointing the situation out to me so that I can think about it.


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NightShadePMC
Joined: 16.11.2010

Take this hand for example, where the set has 70% equity vs 2 players, if Hero would have called the 3bet:

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 84.92 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 6.25, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
SB: 44.88 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 10.39, 3Bet Preflop: 4.00, Hands: 77)
UTG: 88.68 BB (VPIP: 20.21, PFR: 10.76, 3Bet Preflop: 5.10, Hands: 385)
UTG+1: 124.92 BB (VPIP: 46.15, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
MP: 167.72 BB (VPIP: 19.10, PFR: 14.31, 3Bet Preflop: 5.76, Hands: 1,034)
MP+1: 142.64 BB (VPIP: 26.83, PFR: 2.44, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 41)
MP+2: 105.8 BB (VPIP: 17.13, PFR: 11.13, 3Bet Preflop: 3.26, Hands: 812)
Hero (CO): 104.36 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 2♣ 2♠

fold, fold, fold, MP+1 raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero calls 3 BB, fold, fold, BB raises to 11 BB, MP+1 calls 8 BB, fold

Flop: (25.4 BB, 2 players) 2♦ 6♥ 5♥
BB bets 19.36 BB, MP+1 calls 19.36 BB

Turn: (64.12 BB, 2 players) 3♣
BB bets 69.64 BB and is all-in, MP+1 calls 69.64 BB

River: (203.4 BB, 2 players) 7♣

Spoiler

BB shows 6♣ 5♣ (Two Pair, Sixes and Fives) (Pre 22%, Flop 70%, Turn 77%)
MP+1 shows K♥ K♣ (One Pair, Kings) (Pre 78%, Flop 30%, Turn 23%)
BB wins 195.4 BB


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Hey, where are the funny hands ? ! :) Miss them.


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NightShadePMC
Joined: 16.11.2010

You might find some of them in the link below, ImpasX :P

This blog has been discontinued, but you can find my new blog here:

The cash game student's blog


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