Originally posted by LemOn36
But I'd like to find out btw and let's setup examples if you guys don't want to share these (if you look at it as a third party, it's quite funny, serverm won't post ranges, ginger didn't either to start solving this on specifics ♦)
say BU v Blinds, we get 3bet
we have this flat range
and 3bettor has this
board:
our range breakdown:
He cbets 2/3 pot meaning we need to call 60% of our 1-A range
We have around 29% pot odds (rounded up, say rake did this ♦)Assuming no raising range, what we need to do is from EV perspective go by specific hands/hand groupings we have one by one, see our *estimate* (cause I doubt it's solvable specifically) if 0> -call amount+pot on next street*%equity we realize*equity and get a calling range, and I'd assume that it would be lower than 1-A? if not in this spot than in others where ranges are assymetric, and it won't really make sense to play -ev hands just to deny villain profit with bluffs in practice?
This is why 1-A can't be really used here if I'm getting this right? Or would it make sense to know that some hand groupings are -EV just to not fold more than 1-A
There are a lot of things to go into this. You are comparing the bb's EV of flatting to 3betting the hands pre given that we know folding is lower ev. We then have to realize that when bb bets and bu calls, the bb still has equity with his "bluffs", so now again the ev of betting vs ev of checking is being compared given we think ev of folding is worse, if we think it's close we might have to compare all 3. We then have to account for the fact that BU has position, therefore he could call with two napkins otf and bet ott when bb checks and if the bb folds, the two napkins would be considered value. Once again you are comparing ev's though. Also keep in mind hands that can make nutted hands realize equity better and yield the most ev, especially true the deeper we get imo. Some of these hands become quite close in ev so when you hear guys say x is fine and y is fine or do X 50% Y 50% it's because they are guesstimating that's how close it is, or X 75% and Y 25% so on and so forth. When you implement a raising range for BU, now the BB gets denied some equity, we as humans sometimes can't implement these strategies very well because they are very tough and not practical to remember so it's easier to give up a small portion of EV for practicality, but I strongly believe GTO has some raising range here and plays a mixed strat with some hands.
This is all my personal opinion based on what I know, I have no way of proving it for sure until I solve the game.
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