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JTs flush vs river riase

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GingerKid
Joined: 05.08.2007

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 22.08, PFR: 16.88, 3Bet Preflop: 6.06, Hands: 78)
SB: 58.66 BB (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
Hero (BB): 274.48 BB
UTG: 96.22 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 17.14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 36)
MP: 93.7 BB (VPIP: 17.78, PFR: 8.89, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 45)
CO: 213.1 BB (VPIP: 24.28, PFR: 17.03, 3Bet Preflop: 4.59, Hands: 286)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J♦ T♦

fold, MP raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 1 BB

Flop: (4.5 BB, 2 players) 3♦ Q♦ 5♠
Hero checks, MP bets 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB

Turn: (10.5 BB, 2 players) 8♦
Hero checks, MP bets 3 BB, Hero raises to 12 BB, MP calls 9 BB

River: (34.5 BB, 2 players) 2♥
Hero bets 30 BB, MP raises to 76.7 BB and is all-in, fold

Spoiler

MP wins 90.24 BB

ok to fold river? call only Kdxd+?


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badgerer
Joined: 29.03.2010

we need about 20% equity to call the river raise. what range do we have to put this villain on to justify a fold?

just a quick look at MP's stack which was below 100BB i would make a snap judgement about them probably not being a reg therefore they are more likely to either a) play a worse flush this way or b) play a strong non-flush hand this way as the river is 'safe' for these hands.

i just dont see a fold here, im sure you are good at least 20% of the time.


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Hi GingerKid,

Interesting spot as I don't think you are generally getting bluffed here even though villain may seem fishy.

So if we aren't getting bluffed that often what do we beat? Smaller flushes generally 3-bet the turn and A4 type hands don't raise there.

So I think a cry/fold is actually ok based on the action.


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GingerKid
Joined: 05.08.2007

Is it ok to in general make nitty folds in close spots, when pot is big, because of rake and variance? Also i am not afraid that i will be exploited in such spot


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I wouldn't be afraid of being exploited either.

These spots are so rare and people don't really make notes or act on one offs like this. At least not after 100000 of hands.

And in spots where is very hard for you to find worse hands, including bluffs, of course we can make these nitty, great pot odds, type folds.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

What do you think about raising on flop?


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GingerKid
Joined: 05.08.2007

I cant rep much value so i dont raise this hand. Also i usually float flop with 8+ outs, and turn i float if IP and raise only non showdown oop on turn if villian is not defending too much. I raise flop lower GS, or nut bdfd.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Isn't it better to raise weak FD and float nut FD?


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serverm07
Joined: 08.08.2012

Originally posted by nitrol
Isn't it better to raise weak FD and float nut FD?

Yes because nut FD still can have showdown value on some run outs without hitting a flush.


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