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3/4Bing AK/AQ OOP @ 30 BBs+

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sherriffatman
Joined: 30.04.2009

IPoker, $10 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: 2,695 (134.8 bb)
BB: 2,275 (113.8 bb)
Hero (UTG+1): 2,380 (119 bb)
UTG+2: 2,430 (121.5 bb)
MP1: 2,440 (122 bb)
MP2: 3,340 (167 bb)
MP3: 2,350 (117.5 bb)
CO: 2,560 (128 bb)
BTN: 2,030 (101.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A K
Hero raises to 60, 2 folds, MP2 raises to 180, 2 folds, BTN calls 180, 2 folds, Hero raises to 540, MP2 calls 360, BTN folds

Flop: (1,290) J 8 6 (2 players)
Hero bets 645, MP2 raises to 1,290, Hero folds

Results:

Spoiler

2,580 pot
Final Board: J 8 6
Hero mucked A K and lost (-1,185 net)
MP2 mucked and won 2,580 (1,395 net)

obv my 4b is too sml here, but what should our general strategy be in these spots against villains who seem active 3brs (this guy had stats of 37/21/14 albeit over just 38 hands) - we don't want to take a flop 3way oop, and far too deep to shv, but 4bing and CBing missed flop means we have dusted off nearly 1/2 our stack, really early, in a soft event, which isn't ideal (options???)

also, seeking advice on 3bing oop @ 24-35 bbs, esp in late-stages - eg. @ 28bb eff. AQs facing ep/mp open from TAG - is it reasonable to flat at this stack-depth, rather than 3b and face an awkward spot post-flop oop, when we miss the flop?

I am trying to widen my ranges, generally, but in the small-stakes mtts I generally play, people mostly play quite passively pre-flop, and often I am getting myself in difficult spots oop post-flop, esp when 3bing from the blinds - obv we can increase our barrelling tendencies esp on appropriate trns etc., but this is a quite high variance line, isn't it?

Any advice gratefully received, and I hope this isn't too generalized to be able to answer.

Cheers!


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

4 bet is indeed too small against 2 players.

On a flop like this is it to thin to Cbet after your 4bet. I don’t think the MP2 will fold all his mid pocket pairs and I expect his range is full with this kind of hands. In this situation is check/fold I think the best option on the flop.

AK and AQ are indeed tricky hands to 3 bet if the TAG player called a decent amount of time IP if you have 24-35bb stack. Than it’s reasonable to call his raise if its raise is between 2x and 2,5x I think. Otherwise I shove sometimes if I have 24bb or so.

I don’t think it’s to smart to increase your 3 bet range on the micro limits. Also is barreling tricky against players that don’t like to fold. Than you can better play more for value and try to bluff less as possible post-flop.

Hopefully this helps a little bit.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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sherriffatman
Joined: 30.04.2009

thanks for your input SDK1987!

yeah, I think you are more or less spot on with that analysis tbh - it's not a spot that comes up that often really, when someone flats a 4B like that, but still valid to consider imo - and re the range-widening/barrelling, I agree, it's limit dependent, and what is effective @ mid-stakes +, is often spewy @ the micros

Also, it's inevitable, I think, when learning/implementing new ideas, that there will be a decline in the quality of our play initially, until we find a 'balance', and can adjust our plays as required.

(nice kitty btw - I like that he [or she]'s black and white!!! ) :f_biggrin: {Newcastle United supporter}


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