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33$ AK in bad flop

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julito23
Joined: 24.08.2011

PokerStars - $30+$3|350/700 Ante 85 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 32.41 BB (VPIP: 15.52, PFR: 10.34, 3Bet Preflop: 4.17, Hands: 59)
BB: 27.23 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 37.50, Hands: 20)
UTG: 58.32 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 20)
Hero (UTG+1): 30.4 BB
MP: 29.06 BB (VPIP: 18.31, PFR: 17.65, 3Bet Preflop: 12.90, Hands: 71)
MP+1: 15.38 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
CO: 48.73 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 15.00, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 20)
BTN: 38.12 BB (VPIP: 15.00, PFR: 5.26, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)

8 players post ante of 0.12 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.47 BB) Hero has K♣ A♥

UTG raises to 2 BB, Hero raises to 5.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls 3.5 BB

Flop: (13.47 BB, 2 players) Q♦ 4♠ J♠
UTG checks, Hero bets 6.74 BB, UTG raises to 52.69 BB and is all-in, fold,

This flop I would consider checking back in most positions after villain calls a 3bet. However, since a UTG vs UTG +1 3bet should be pretty strong, I would expect him to fold a big part of his speculative range to the 3bet, and call the more high equity biased part of his range.

For that reason I decided to cbet in this situation. What do you think?


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I like flatting pre, as it protects my heavily weighted pocket pair flatting range in these spots which is pretty face up, AK is a nice hand to add into that for variation & you have position. As played I like the bet on the flop to balance your range in these spots, if you check back on this flop texture it looks like exactly what you had... AK


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julito23
Joined: 24.08.2011

On second thought, his "high equity range", also smashes that board, so I think it is a check back.


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IvicaIliev77
Joined: 31.05.2012

Always check back here, you are turning hand with great potential to improve into a bluff here. Also here you are IP vs opponent so you can pot control better + when he flats to your 3 bet he has super capped value range which connects well with this board (JJ+,AJs+, KQs etc)


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MaNiaC86
Joined: 22.02.2014

Originally posted by IvicaIliev77
Always check back here, you are turning hand with great potential to improve into a bluff here. Also here you are IP vs opponent so you can pot control better + when he flats to your 3 bet he has super capped value range which connects well with this board (JJ+,AJs+, KQs etc)

You really advise him to check here? and then what? fold to a bet on the turn if he miss? His opponent can easily has a pocket pair like :Tx::Tx:, :9x::9x:...
Of course he can be behind but he can also take the pot right there.
I like the Cbet on the flop even if the opponent calls, the worst that can happen here is a check/raise.
You narrow his range a lot by Cbetting, he will fold Tens, nines and sometimes :Ax::Jx: dependind on the image that you have at the moment.
I he just calls the Cbet tthen is not so bad, if he checks to a blank on the turn I would prefer checking back and take a free river card.
If he leads on the river then it comes back to players and how well you know your opponent will matter the most... if you manage to make the nuts is an easy decision, you'll raise, if you made the straight but there is a flush out there and he's passive or conservative then it's not bad to just call his bet even if you are ahead (sometimes you can even fold if you really believe that a particular opponent would bet only with the strongest hands).
If you make top pair with an :Ax: or :Kx: on the river, I would advise you to fold to a big bet unless your opponent is a player that would be able to float and bluff with air or turn a small pocket pair into a bluff or try to get paid from hands like :Ax::Tx: or :Kx::Tx: that missed the gutshot and hit top pair. Of course you know why you must never raise here.
If he checks to an :Ax: or :Kx: you can confident bet for value but you'd better fold to a check/raise unless he's a maniac like me _drink:


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IvicaIliev77
Joined: 31.05.2012

From GTO point of view, that opponent will not fold 1010 99, he should be defending his checks with frequent x/calling and x/raises not to get exploited.
From our angle, we have a hand that is played in 3 bet pot. Board hit both us and our opponent but our holding has equity to improve. Also in this case we have to be careful of reverse implied odds. Even when we do hit an A opponent might have AJ-AQ, if we hit a K he might have KQ-KJs.
Finally this flop is perfect for the opponent to x/raise very wide (include more bluffs than value) because any decent reg knows that they are bet folding AK. Many would have trouble playing KK and AA in this spot because after facing x/r they have to be ready to call off shoves and opponent does have 6 combos of sets in that spot.
As initial aggressor or 3 bettor in this case, we should balance frequency of our x/behind IP, bet/call bet/3 bet. Idea is to have some delay c-bets on turn as well to extract additional value but overall this flop is super ugly for us in 3 bet pots and we should be very careful when playing it (calculate your 3 bet vs opponent whole flat to 3 bet range equity then determine what hands is he folding % from total defend after checking behind what % is he x/r and then determine your strategy for barelling it).


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MaNiaC86
Joined: 22.02.2014

He's more propable to fold Tens at a Cbet in the flop than he's to fold at a delayed Cbet on the turn. I think that a check on the flop after a 3bet is a weak play, especialy if you hold 2 overcards.
If you are not able to Cbet then don't 3bet at all!


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IvicaIliev77
Joined: 31.05.2012

You shouldn't look at isolated hand like 1010 but rather his whole flat to 3 bet range. He has minimum 1010-QQ, AJs+ , AQo+, QJs, KJs+. 1010 is just 6 combos but you must understand that within this flatting range he has way more combos that he x/r or x/c then x/f. This is why as initial 3 bettor you must have balanced range here IP (also OOP if hand was played that way).


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MaNiaC86
Joined: 22.02.2014

I don't think that he would flat with QQ OOP with 30bb effective stack in a tournament, more often he would 4bet at this spot.
Because he raised the minimum that caused the 3bet to be smaller, so he can call with any small pocket pair. I think that you have missread his range and ignore that half of this range may be better hands but at this flop they are foldable. I mean I don't care if he has AJ, KJ or any pair from Tens to deuces... I just know that if there is a spot I can aply some pressure then this spot is the flop. I might differ from that play about 20% of the time to balance my game but I had bet succesfully in much worst spots in the past to just check back here!

A check is not bad either, but I don't like the delayed Cbet at all.
I mean what are you trying to represent with a delayed Cbet? For sure you can't rep Aces or Kings. And maybe sometimes you can make a delayed Cbet if you have Aces to control the pot size and get called by a worse hand, but with Kings you must bet more often than not because you have an Ace to worry on the turn. If your opponent seems to be so sophisticated then you could try to play like that and not avoid it.
Like always your opponent dictates your actions and there is not a perfect play for any hand you've been dealt.


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Crrrrrrr
Joined: 13.05.2012

Originally posted by IvicaIliev77
From GTO point of view, that opponent will not fold 1010 99, he should be defending his checks with frequent x/calling and x/raises not to get exploited.

Anything below JJ is a fold 100% of the time
Call 3-bet oop with a pocket and then make randoms calldown with 2 outs? nice EV buddy.


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uglyboy88
Joined: 19.03.2009

in this situation i would consider myself better flatting pre than 3betting, but 3bet is fine. on the flop i prefer ch back for sure because stack sizes are very good for him to ch/jam his KQ, KJ, T9s, QJ. its not bad to give up on turn.


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