Originally posted by Alleen86
Originally posted by nitrol
Originally posted by Alleen86
Originally posted by nitrol
Originally posted by Alleen86
Against this raise size I think we should make 3bet something arround 3,5x. Hero's bet size is a bit too big probably, but nothing wrong with it, I would say.You make it 4x too, in a hand posted today.
I make 4x oop against a minraise. Against 3 bb's, I make 3,3x. In position I make 3x against a minraise and 2,6x against 3 bb's.
And now you say it is ok to make it 3.5 .
His open size was 2,5bb's so I think that a 3,5x 3bet is the best.
I know you are good for politics...
but still we have to be very carefull when playing vs rocks.
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Originally posted by Alleen86
Originally posted by Limpuls
Originally posted by Alleen86
I think that we can't realy turn QQ into a bluff there. If we decide to 3bet, then we have to call a shove, especially vs fish.What do you mean by "we can't really turn QQ into a bluff there"? I didn't turn it. Do you mean that 3bet is bad? I always 3bet JJ-AA from the blinds against BTN open and sometimes CO.
I ment that we can't 3bet QQ for value and then fold to 4bet.
It's hard OOP. IP I would 3bet hand like QQ and AK and call a 4bet. OOP would call only being 150+bb deep. All right, clear - flat against rocky player and don't 3bet. Thank you guys for respones.
Originally posted by nitrol
call OOP for 150+ is a huge mistake with QQ/AK.
How deep being is not the mistake?
Imo flat preflop > 3bet preflop and this is easy call all in
range 3bet like KJs,AJ (...) 3bet fold / 3bet broke KK+AA ,(QQ) (22-44)
(QQ) and orther flat hands like Axs , AQ, T9s,98s + QQ , and pocket pairs , KQo and more.
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Yup , for bluff 3bet can you play there low pocket pairs, with stack off range vs no one opponent , 3bet , 5 bet vs high fold to 5bet like 50-60%
Call preflop with low pocket pairs , A2-A5o can be easy ev- so i like with that part range play more bluffy and tricky.
That hands hard to play relatively, straightforward 