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A2s vs agr opener and Big stack behind

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18071987
Joined: 02.05.2007

PokerStars - $5+$0.50|30/60 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 46.08 BB (VPIP: 16.18, PFR: 13.43, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 68)
UTG+1: 91.33 BB (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 30)
MP: 48.75 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
MP+1: 21.4 BB (VPIP: 45.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
MP+2: 26.13 BB (VPIP: 17.24, PFR: 10.71, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 30)
CO: 70.17 BB (VPIP: 25.47, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 106)
Hero (BTN): 58.8 BB
SB: 75.8 BB (VPIP: 18.07, PFR: 16.87, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 83)
BB: 69 BB (VPIP: 22.73, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 2♦ A♦

fold, fold, fold, MP+1 raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, Hero ? ,

Have problems in this kind of spots.
If we know that MP+1(have around 18-21 BB) have wide range and we hold it hands like A7s, or A2s or KTs and behind us we have big stacks. We can't play 3bet fold vs opener and we can't 3bet AI. Because we are to deep


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SawyerNS
Joined: 17.09.2010

In this kind of spots where villains stats are showing us tendency to loose action (5 hands limps and 5 hands raise on 20 total) and he is shallow; We should consider to flat call IP, when behind us passive players; Our hand is well hit the flop, but still we definitely choose from call or fold pre in this one, because we don't think that line 3-bet/fold would bring us +EV on the distance;

Regards,
Lothar


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Lefty85
Joined: 08.06.2008

I'm not sure what you consider as wide, but even if he opens 25% in MP, A2s is still behind on his range. Also A-2s doesn't play very well because we will often pay off better aces and we will never be sure if we're ahead when we flop a 2.

Hoping to flop a flushdraw trips or 2P is just very optimistic and not worth it since we are only 20BB deep vs villain.

The same story for a hand like KTs, unless you have some sick reads, villain is very bad or you are just amazing postflop, i just don't see how you can play those hands profitable.

Also, you will have to fold when somebody squeezes which would be even worse.


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18071987
Joined: 02.05.2007

Thanks guys for a replay.

I think best here is just fold. I think we can find better spots to re-steals. And I think we need more read on players that he might open very with from MP+1. Its very variance spots IMO.

I don't want call, because my hands don't play well 21 eff, and I don't want 3bet fold this hands ass well. i don't choosing 3 bet AI, after me are couple Bigstack.

IMO Fold


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