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0.5/1$ - x/c river?

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What line you choose on the river? x/c?

$0.50/$1 Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9 8
MP calls, CO raises, 2 folds, Hero calls, MP calls

Flop: (6.5 SB) T 2 8 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, CO bets, Hero raises, MP calls, CO calls

Turn: (6.3 BB) J (3 players)
Hero bets, MP folds, CO calls

River: (8.3 BB) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls

Results: 10.3 BB pot (0.5 BB rake)
Final Board: T 2 8 J 9
Hero showed 9 8 and lost (-4 BB net)
CO showed T 9 and won 9.7 BB (5.7 BB net)


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

I don’t understand why you’re check/raising the flop with middle pair on a dry board in a multi way pot. Off course I’m no FLHE player, but I don’t think it’s smart to change you’re hand in to a bluff.

I would check/call on the flop and her-evaluate the turn. Unimproved I would check/fold most of the time.

As played the river card is nasty, but I don’t think he will bet as bluff and I don’t see much hands you can beat. So most likely even with the good odds I think a fold is better.

Further I recommend to remove the outcome of the hand next time or put them in a spoiler.

Best regards,
SDK1987


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I forgot to say the type of oponent who raise preflop: is a semi maniac.
Some notes about this oponent:


donk 2pair to chekc turn bb defense hu pot
donk turn AK overcards unexpected
donk 3bet bet down TPMK
!!! donk 22 river unexpected !!!
donk OESD turn unexpected
donk turn scary "A" without SD value
Coldcall to CAP K9o prelfop

I have the EQ enought to rasie flop, and protect the hand vs the other player; I think the game on the flop is the most optimal. I agree with the reasoning that you say, but if it were against intelligent players. It was my mistake not to mention the type of oponent..


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

I like it as played, especially since CO is a maniac. We want to isolate vs him and a flop x/r might accomplish just that. I like river check-call as well.


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Avataren
Joined: 28.04.2010

well played. nothing to change here.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

@SDK

I don’t understand why you’re check/raising the flop with middle pair on a dry board in a multi way pot. Off course I’m no FLHE player, but I don’t think it’s smart to change you’re hand in to a bluff.

The thing here is that it isn't a bluff. The CO is in position and is likely to fire 80-100% of his range here. Are we ahead versus him? Maybe, maybe not, but here is the fine point: Even if we have only 45% equity versus him, it is desirable to get it heads up and have 45% equity in a two-player deal instead of 33% equity in a 3-player deal that will be difficult to play. This is in contrast to NL where the price you have to pay to get it HU is too big.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

80-100% of his range Cbetting in a multi way pot looks spewy to me.
If it was 1 against 1 it’s looks more legit I think.


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Avataren
Joined: 28.04.2010

SDK - we arent playing no limit foldem here. 80% cbet is so low id call you nitty.


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kavboj84
Joined: 16.06.2011

x/r F absolutely fine. River b/c on my behalf. Why ? He does not have a completed draw most likely, as he would have raised those somewhere, yet he might raise with air and call with hands he'd x/b OTR. So b/c.


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kavboj84
Joined: 16.06.2011

Originally posted by Avataren
SDK - we arent playing no limit foldem here. 80% cbet is so low id call you nitty.

On this board I think its fine for CO to xb quite a few hands, especially if he is loose (35%+) tho I think its unlikely for him to x as he is maniacal


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Avataren
Joined: 28.04.2010

Originally posted by kavboj84

Originally posted by Avataren
SDK - we arent playing no limit foldem here. 80% cbet is so low id call you nitty.

On this board I think its fine for CO to xb quite a few hands, especially if he is loose (35%+) tho I think its unlikely for him to x as he is maniacal

true true


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playboychess
Joined: 04.02.2007

I like c/r flop too :-)

Indeed, CO will contibet almost any two here and c/r defines our hand a bit better. If he 3bets we can call flop and then call on this turn (but probably fold on a blank turn) and also call on this river. If he just calls as played, I also like betting the turn and c/c the river.


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