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playing against a maniac 4 way pot

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FrozenElf
Joined: 06.07.2015

BTN was a maniac he played every hand and made a lot of 3 bets in about 30 hands i seen him play so i raise here with QJo i usually fold as standard but i wanted to play vs him since i think he will make many mistakes post flop

he bluffed a lot

as the hand played out it went 4 way witch isn't what i wanted
after everybody checks the flop it checks to me i decide to check again hoping that the maniac bluffs the turn witch he did i expected him to bluff the turn with any random cards i planned to call him on the river but after CO calls behind should i have folded since he could well have be holding an A he was a calling station with 72/24

SB: $12.50
BB: $8.65
Hero (UTG): $5.00
CO: $17.98
BTN: $9.56

Pre Flop: ($0.12) Hero is UTG with J :spade: Q :heart:
Hero raises to $0.15, CO calls $0.15, BTN raises to $0.40, SB calls $0.38, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25

Flop: ($1.70) 6 :spade: J :diamond: A :spade: (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($1.70) 2 :club: (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets $0.90, SB folds, Hero calls $0.90, CO calls $0.90

River: ($4.40) 3 :heart: (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets $1.95, Hero calls $1.95, CO folds

Final Pot: $8.30
Hero mucks J :spade: Q :heart:
BTN shows 4 :heart: 5 :spade: (a straight, Deuce to Six)
BTN wins $7.96
(Rake: $0.34)


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Pnnkaznk
Joined: 13.11.2009

With so many players i wuld give up on flop.


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FrozenElf
Joined: 06.07.2015

look at his hand how can you say fold?


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Dadramel
Joined: 10.08.2014

You shouldnt even opened that hand preflop especially if u have happy-squeezing maniac ahead of ya, when u got raised (0.4) I would consider that nobrainer. First mistake you've made was seeing the flop. Next streets weren't played decently either.


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

I think we shouldn't call the 3bet preflop, despite of a good price. The open itself is also questionable. With calling the 3bet we will be oop with a dominated hand. With 4 players in the pot, I would just check/call when it's very likelly that some of the players has a TP.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Opening this hand from this position is very wide. We should fold after the strange min 3 bet too. We will be in a MW pot, OOP, without initiative, with a hand that is heavily dominated. The only "bright" think to pray for is a straight.


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FrozenElf
Joined: 06.07.2015

did any of you even read what i wrote or just looked at the hand,

for a start this guy was an idiot, so my first question is can i raise this QJ to play a 3 bet pot OP agaianst his 3 betting range of ANY 2 cards since he will make many multi barrel bluffs postflop i knew he was going to 3 bet he did everytime

2nd the other guy was set mining he was a nit so his hand is check fold the flop the other guy is a calling station too

and as stated i DONT usually open this hand but cause there were too bad players behind me can i open it is another question

if any of you bothered to read you would of answered the questions i wanted to know

like can i open with QJo here with 2 fish calling 70% of hands
and can i raise call a 3bet vs a guy that is 3 betting hands like 52o with a JQo


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Ales851
Joined: 16.07.2012

OK if he is really such agro monkey, maybe it could be +EV in result but probably super variance as well - I´m talking mainly about pre-flop. As played after everyone check flop and he bet the last on the turn is probably OK to call down vs maniac.

Personally:
Agromaniac 2 seats behind me - sit out
I would tighten my range especially OOP. Just let him to pay us our strong hand and don´t need to play guessing game with every marginal hand.


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keekkini
Joined: 12.02.2012

Originally posted by FrozenElf
did any of you even read what i wrote or just looked at the hand,

for a start this guy was an idiot, so my first question is can i raise this QJ to play a 3 bet pot OP agaianst his 3 betting range of ANY 2 cards since he will make many multi barrel bluffs postflop i knew he was going to 3 bet he did everytime

2nd the other guy was set mining he was a nit so his hand is check fold the flop the other guy is a calling station too

and as stated i DONT usually open this hand but cause there were too bad players behind me can i open it is another question

if any of you bothered to read you would of answered the questions i wanted to know

like can i open with QJo here with 2 fish calling 70% of hands
and can i raise call a 3bet vs a guy that is 3 betting hands like 52o with a JQo

And you got the answers.
Wait for better hands with these guys and let them pay you off later.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Opening this hand is not ok even vs these villains. Calling the squeeze with a caller in front and players still to act is bad. I already answered you but you seem to not read too. :)
Our hand is not ok in mw pot, oop, without initiative, heavily dominated.


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

Originally posted by Alleen86
I think we shouldn't call the 3bet preflop, despite of a good price. The open itself is also questionable. With calling the 3bet we will be oop with a dominated hand. With 4 players in the pot, I would just check/call when it's very likelly that some of the players has a TP.

Sorry, I meant check/fold.


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Dadramel
Joined: 10.08.2014

Originally posted by Berezovaya
You shouldnt have even opened that hand preflop especially if u have happy-squeezing maniac ahead of ya

Doesn't matter if we can consider him a fish. If you've got aggro maniac on your "right", you need to adjust your playing range, tighten up, raise stronger premium hands.


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FrozenElf
Joined: 06.07.2015

ok then thanks everyone you answered a few of my questions


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mattyvx
Joined: 15.04.2015

he did not make a multibarrell bluff, he bet turn with equity and valuebet river

The problem with calling with marginal hands if even his trash gets to see free equity and he can decide to kepp the pot small, bluff or valuebet and you have to guess.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

The problem is that we will hit a hand around 30% of the time and for the other times we should play a guessing game.
I prefer tightening ranges and milk the cow. :)


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FrozenElf
Joined: 06.07.2015

Originally posted by mattyvx
he did not make a multibarrell bluff, he bet turn with equity and valuebet river

The problem with calling with marginal hands if even his trash gets to see free equity and he can decide to kepp the pot small, bluff or valuebet and you have to guess.

your basing this on this particular spot he was multi barrel bluffing left right and centre


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FrozenElf
Joined: 06.07.2015

Originally posted by nitrol
The problem is that we will hit a hand around 30% of the time and for the other times we should play a guessing game.
I prefer tightening ranges and milk the cow. :)
I agree with this it does seem much more effective then tossing money back and 4th it also reduces the chance of tilt too


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FrozenElf
Joined: 06.07.2015

Originally posted by nitrol
The problem is that we will hit a hand around 30% of the time and for the other times we should play a guessing game.
I prefer tightening ranges and milk the cow. :)
I agree with this it does seem much more effective then tossing money back and 4th it also reduces the chance of tilt too


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