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FrozenElf
Joined: 06.07.2015

Heads Up Here I come
(And some 6max)


Hello fellow poker buddies, i hope everyone is ok during these tough times.

Here's my poker story. I hope you find the time find the time to read my journey so far, it includes some amusing stuff, sad stuff and ends with a vengeance.

I I've been playing for about 12 years [on and off] I started playing with my dad, at NL2 9 handed, I've now moved over too 6max and I've started to take a liking to heads poker. I had a decent job so I could skip the micros, and deposited $750, I had decent results there, my dad always believed I have the skills to become pro [or even earn a little extra income would be nice] me and my dad used to play a lot together, the problem for me was he was a very bad gambler, [he did ok in tournaments but in cash games OMFG is correct statement here] when he ran out of his balance, he would often ask if he could play a tournament I would respond "Sure, you can play a $10 buy in, and please if you play cash games play $2" obviously this is like putting sweets in front of a child and saying there not aloud to eat them, I would often come home to him destroying my graph and losing 3-4 stacks, I would get so angry, we would argue, he would say "why'd you let me play it, you know what I'm like" I couldn't ever say no to him, he never asked me for much and he was always there for me, when I needed him, I would already be so angry before I hit the tables, I would win the money back he lost and spew some away again, this went on for about 6 months, I broke even with the help of rake back bonus's and eventually quit because it was affecting my mood, friendships, my job and life.

Sadly he passed away 2 months ago, this has crippled me, we were so close.

I kind of nitted it out for the most part of my poker career at 6max, playing a similar range to to 9max, with a few added extras, I was the kind of player who thought i was the best and everyone else got lucky, after a few months, i was being ran over and over by 3bets, i was wondering what was going on, since i only played AA/KK vs 3bets, i used to play with a HUD, i only really new how to use the VPIP and PFR, i all really new was that when the VPIP was high and the PFR was low, it meant that they were likely to be a beginner, i mostly used it for hand analysis, i used to play 2-6 tables, and then would go on tilt and start adding more tables up to 10, imagine how fast you can lose money playing that many tables, when your folding 75c a time vs every resteal and 3 bet, added more tables would send me on monkey tilt, as soon as the regs found out i folded to almost every 3bet, them 75c's add up very quickly. I stopped playing and went back the HUD to try and figure out what was going on, i came across the vs hero stats, and found some interesting facts, my fold to 3bet stat was probably in the 90s (i cant remember) i did a little bit of research in the 3bet/4bet and resteals department, this alone dramatically, change my game.

Playing some better poker

After reading a few books, there was one in particular that was my bible for almost a year, TheMentalGameOfPoker, its by far the best book ive read on poker, ive just started the second book, witch is also pretty good so far.

I didn't play for quite for a few years, (maybe the odd game here and there), until recently last year when lockdown started, i returned to poker, i decided not to take it so seriously and just play for fun, i signed up to William hill poker, i was a little rusty to begin with, i lost roughly £300 depositing $20 and playing NL20 (sometimes i was playing drunk haha).

This story is funny

After the rust wore off, and all the poker tactics and mental work I was putting into the game was slowly coming back to me, I started to crush the game I got a free £30 from William hill from rake back bonus's, I started to crush the game, I decided with the £30 bankroll to try out the tankroll bankroll challenge witch i breezed through, (i was still a little bit yoyoing) i was at £1000 within about 2 weeks, i then decided to carry on, with the 2nd challenge taking some aggressive shots at NL400 up to £2000, witch again I completed and was sitting on a bankroll of £2400 playing 1 table on my phone, then something happened, i had been running over this regular for a few hours, i was sat a the table at at NL400 with $1600, then i did somthing completely stupid, there was another player at the table witch i new was pretty good, (i tried to avoid him and be careful vs him, i felt he was the best player at the table at the time) he had around 250bbs and was on $1000, we ended up in this pot together i had a i raised with K♣:7♦: from btn, he called from BB the board was something like J♣:T♠:3♠:6♦:K♥: rainbow, it checked all the way down to the river where i bet 30%, i was having a wee at the time and i put my phone on the side and as I went grab my phone The worst miss click ever![/color i had accidently called him all in for for 250bbs, with a K♣:7♦: i dont even need to tell you he had A♠:Q♣: for the nuts, you can imagine what i did next i gave up and monkey tilted the rest of my money away.

I decided to quit again.

My game now

Im much calmer at the tables, my decision process is much better and i have a much clearer mind while playing, i have much more work to do, i would like to start from the bottom NL2 and work my way up rather then skipping stakes to teach myself some discipline.

Spoiler

A game

I feel relaxed and really enjoy the game.
Get over confident/start opening and 3 betting loose/especially around the blinds.
[keep cool and carry playing like a master]
I start to feel like i cannnot lose and over play hands with huge bets

B game

starting to 3 bet because im getting bored
call too often from blinds
trying to force playy
call with weak draws/reverse implied
bluffing weaker players [including cbet bluffs]
calling oop with trash

C game

spazzy monkey bluffs
trebble barrel call
Treble barrel bluffing [especially including 3bet pots]
Calling 3bets oop with trash
calling pot bets
over betting weak hands on multi streets

Starting bank roll is $5 :f_drink:

I'm playing on party poker with no HUD i mostly play 1 and sometimes 2 maximum 3 depending on how well I'm playing, my game plan is to crush every opponent into oblivion

Lets get grinding


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FrozenElf
Joined: 06.07.2015

I didn't finish this i clicked post by accident haha ill update it now i have much more to say


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Hi FrozenElf,
Sorry to hear about your Dad.
It's tough to lose someone close to you.

All the best in your new quest!

Cheers,
VS


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FrozenElf
Joined: 06.07.2015

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
Hi FrozenElf,
Sorry to hear about your Dad.
It's tough to lose someone close to you.

All the best in your new quest!

Cheers,
VS

Thank you for you kind words and support.

I updated my thread yesterday while laying in bed on the laptop, i spent an hour on it, and my girlfriend rollover in her sleep to delete it all, i was like noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo haha, i done it now anyways.


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FrozenElf
Joined: 06.07.2015

My first HU game final hand he didnt reload :f_drink:


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

I've only ever played 5-Card Draw HU SnGs but HU is a great format.
I really dislike HU 5-Card Draw cash though -- both players get eaten alive by rake.


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Harrier88
Joined: 01.05.2012

Hey FrozenElf, always nice to see you return to the action. :f_drink:

Sorry to hear about your father, I lost mine too about two years ago.

Best of luck with the heads-up cash games, now that's a format I have absolutely no experience with. :f_biggrin:

Originally posted by FrozenElf
I updated my thread yesterday while laying in bed on the laptop, i spent an hour on it, and my girlfriend rollover in her sleep to delete it all, i was like noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo haha, i done it now anyways.

What I always like to do is to copy my entire text to the clipboard before posting if I have written anything longer, or possibly in the middle of writing if it's particularly long. That way, if it gets lost, I can always paste it again. This has already saved me once or twice before.


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FrozenElf
Joined: 06.07.2015

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
I've only ever played 5-Card Draw HU SnGs but HU is a great format.
I really dislike HU 5-Card Draw cash though -- both players get eaten alive by rake.

Ive never played that game before, how are you doing on 5 card draw? Something you said here has pointed something out in my game so far with heads up, i sit with $2 some guy sits down with $1 i grind him down to 30-50c and double him back up, this is simular in SNG HU, the same thing always happens, i must be making a mistake when there short stacked, I'm, guessing maybe im bluffing too much since my style now looks somewhat maniac, i guess this t could use some work in this area, thanks vorpal :f_drink:.

session summary

I decided to play some 6 max today after tilting slightly yesterday on HU when i just couldnt seem to KO my opponenet, like i said above i grind them down and double them up bluffing, i guess this is a weakness to improve, anyways here are a few interesting hands and lines i took with them.

MP raises, I 3bet, bb cold calls, MP calls, on the flop it goes check, check, check, on the turn bb bets 3/4, MP folds, i shove :f_drink:

I was 3betting this guy often (i love to 3 bet) this is how the hand went. UTG raises, CO calls, i 3bet UTG calls CO folds, then i hit a monster in a squeezed pot and UTG donk shoved unto me :f_drink:

Bank roll $8


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Harrier88
Joined: 01.05.2012

Originally posted by FrozenElf
i sit with $2 some guy sits down with $1 i grind him down to 30-50c and double him back up, this is simular in SNG HU, the same thing always happens, i must be making a mistake when there short stacked, I'm, guessing maybe im bluffing too much since my style now looks somewhat maniac

When your opponent keeps getting short and won't reload, at one point he will be forced into some sort of "push or fold" mode, even in cash games, since he is simply out of all other moves, effectively.

At that point, all you can do by bluffing is to steal his big blind, so the only way to beat him is to beat his range. Instead, of course, you could always leave the table and look for another opponent with a deeper stack.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by FrozenElf
Ive never played that game before, how are you doing on 5 card draw? Something you said here has pointed something out in my game so far with heads up, i sit with $2 some guy sits down with $1 i grind him down to 30-50c and double him back up, this is simular in SNG HU, the same thing always happens, i must be making a mistake when there short stacked, I'm, guessing maybe im bluffing too much since my style now looks somewhat maniac, i guess this t could use some work in this area, thanks vorpal :f_drink:.

I built quite a decent bankroll playing Limit 5-Card Draw, but switched to NL and played the same, and lost over $600, but once I made the adjustment properly, I'm doing fine -- almost have half of that back.

It might be helpful to read the old short-stack strategy articles to see what ranges 20-40 BB stacks will be playing.
NL 2 heads up must be a lot like rolling dice, really.


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FrozenElf
Joined: 06.07.2015

Originally posted by Harrier88

Originally posted by FrozenElf
i sit with $2 some guy sits down with $1 i grind him down to 30-50c and double him back up, this is simular in SNG HU, the same thing always happens, i must be making a mistake when there short stacked, I'm, guessing maybe im bluffing too much since my style now looks somewhat maniac

When your opponent keeps getting short and won't reload, at one point he will be forced into some sort of "push or fold" mode, even in cash games, since he is simply out of all other moves, effectively.

At that point, all you can do by bluffing is to steal his big blind, so the only way to beat him is to beat his range. Instead, of course, you could always leave the table and look for another opponent with a deeper stack.

Hello harrier, its nice to see your still around here, how are you?

I think your right maybe i misswrote somthing about the maniac statement sincether e likley to be a beginner if there sitting with a dollar, there probably not even on that level of thinking yet.

Originally posted by VorpalF2F

Originally posted by FrozenElf
Ive never played that game before, how are you doing on 5 card draw? Something you said here has pointed something out in my game so far with heads up, i sit with $2 some guy sits down with $1 i grind him down to 30-50c and double him back up, this is simular in SNG HU, the same thing always happens, i must be making a mistake when there short stacked, I'm, guessing maybe im bluffing too much since my style now looks somewhat maniac, i guess this t could use some work in this area, thanks vorpal :f_drink:.

I built quite a decent bankroll playing Limit 5-Card Draw, but switched to NL and played the same, and lost over $600, but once I made the adjustment properly, I'm doing fine -- almost have half of that back.

It might be helpful to read the old short-stack strategy articles to see what ranges 20-40 BB stacks will be playing.
NL 2 heads up must be a lot like rolling dice, really.

That sounds like a good idea, its always postflop i seem to donate back to them, ill give it a short read and give it a go and see if theres a change :f_drink:

witch is your main blogs guys so i can follow you both?


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Harrier88
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Originally posted by FrozenElf
Hello harrier, its nice to see your still around here, how are you?

Doing well, thank you. The lockdowns are tough on everyone, of course. Luckily, it's not as bad this month as it was earlier this year.

I started a new blog this year too, but I'm pretty much done with Hold'em by now, so there may not be much for you in there. Unless you like cocktails, of course.


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FrozenElf
Joined: 06.07.2015

Originally posted by Harrier88

Originally posted by FrozenElf
Hello harrier, its nice to see your still around here, how are you?

Doing well, thank you. The lockdowns are tough on everyone, of course. Luckily, it's not as bad this month as it was earlier this year.

I started a new blog this year too, but I'm pretty much done with Hold'em by now, so there may not be much for you in there. Unless you like cocktails, of course.

Well i love cocktails so im definitely in :f_drink:

ok so i busted out of my $5 bank roll and it wont let me deposit another $10 for some reason:f_ugly: so im playing a few tourneys on my friends account at the moment.

I did some updates on my A B and C game and changed them around a little to see if it would sink in better, hmmmmmm :f_thumbsup:

Spoiler

A game

I feel relaxed and really enjoy the game.
Get over confident/start opening and 3 betting loose/especially around the blinds.
[keep cool and carry playing like a master]
I start to feel like i cannnot lose and over play hands with huge bets

B game

Try not to start to 3 bet because im getting bored
Try not to call too often from blinds
Try not to try and force play to force playy
Try not to call with weak draws/reverse implied
Try not bluffing weaker players [including cbet bluffs]
Try not calling oop with trash
Try not to double barrel call

C game

try not to do any spazzy monkey bluffs- (im starting to think about this then folding rather then bluffing sometimes)
try not to trebble barrel call
try not to do any Treble barrel bluffing [especially including 3bet pots]
try not Calling 3bets oop with trash
try not calling pot bets
try not over betting weak hands on multi streets
i start feelimg really aggitated and impationt and start trying to win every hand


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FrozenElf
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so my first tournament went ok, however, i decided to play HU, im not sure HU is for me, above, i said i was much calmer at the tables, until i started on HU, its a game where whoever doesnt tilt first wins :f_drink:

I lost my $7 playing HU, this guy just hit everything in all the right places, i had him beat he sucked out on me in all the right places, hes hyper aggressive 3betting hands like K8o bluffing bluffing then hitting on the river, how can you beat that? I usually play a simular way, and ran simular, maybe im bankroll scared, who knows, i would probably be 4bet shove almost anything, to stop the guy in his tracks, if i had 50 buy ins i gues thats the importance f bankroll managmment, the funny thing is i pick up pocket JJ hovever i 3bet and he 4bets, this was the first time he did so, i tilt shoved y last $1.64 thinking at the timethis is a mistake, but hey thats poker right!


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FrozenElf
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After earliers defeat, i managed to bag myself a free $15 Thanks party poker :f_drink:

I have confidence in my play im going to take some shots at NL5 on 3 tables


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VorpalF2F
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Nice win!
I'm guessing that $5 buy-in spins are not your usual stakes?

...wishing you the very best for a peaceful, prosperous 2021,
VS


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FrozenElf
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Originally posted by VorpalF2F
Nice win!
I'm guessing that $5 buy-in spins are not your usual stakes?

...wishing you the very best for a peaceful, prosperous 2021,
VS

Nope i had about 11 free tokens on spin and goes 5 on 25c, 5 on $1 and 1 $5 one, i played all of them because i busted out and ending up winning on the last spin and go, i was like wahoo, im on my friends account at the moment, im having trouble with depositing after busting out, they have had about $50 in free tickets, im about to play a tourney now ill let you jnow how i get ion, i think i have 1 $11 and 1 $2.20c left

Merry christmas and happy new year to you too and i hope 2021 is a great year for you too.

:f_thumbsup:


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FrozenElf
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Since playing Heads up, i just cant seem to stop myself from tilting, making silly plays left right and centre, im going back to 6max for a while and try get my game back on track.

I was venting about poker to my girlfriend the other night, (she doesnt know anything about it haha, im going to try and stop it by venting on here) anyways, it was about one of my C-game mistakes, calling vs pot bets, its one of my most commonly most costly mistakes, i know they have a monster, most of the time so it would pay off to fold vs 100% of pot bets even 3/4 are dangerous, yet it just wont sink in, this has been a leak in my game for years. I was talking away (as you do haha) and something i said to her stood out to me, i said, its dumb to call pot bets, im taking a guess here, it wont sink in because my statement of "Try not to call pot bets was'nt strong enough for me" yet i blurted out "it's dumb to call pot bets" so maybe im hoping by changing the statement to that, for all of my mistakes, i might finally master the mistake and stop making it!

Thanks for reading.

Bankroll $5.50 :f_drink:


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Originally posted by FrozenElf
Since playing Heads up, i just cant seem to stop myself from tilting, making silly plays left right and centre, im going back to 6max for a while and try get my game back on track.

That sounds like a wise move.

Ranges HU are really wide, and you're not the only one that thinks that the big pot-sized bets look bluffy.

...wishing you the very best for a peaceful, prosperous 2021,
VS\


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FrozenElf
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Originally posted by VorpalF2F

That sounds like a wise move.

Ranges HU are really wide, and you're not the only one that thinks that the big pot-sized bets look bluffy.

VS\

We could dive into this a little deeper, we all know that begginer players bluff the river with huge bets, after calling 2 streets on there missed draws, maybe this is why we think that big bets are bluffy, and cant seem to fold vs them, i think calling pot bets on the flop or turn is a mistake, maybe its player type, i need to work on, what do you think about that?


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