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JJ overpair on the flop against a check - sizing?

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LemOn36
Joined: 07.02.2009

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0.02/0.05 No Limit Hold'em (6 Handed)
Hand recorder for this hand: PokerStrategy.com SideKick 2.1.20409.2

Preflop: Hero is BU with J♦, J♣
SB posts small blind ($0.02), BB posts big blind ($0.05), 3 folds, Hero raises for $0.12, SB folds, BB 3-bets $0.40, Hero calls

Flop: ($0.92 - 18.40 bb) 5♣, 4♣, 3♣ (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.30, BB calls

Turn: ($1.52 - 30.40 bb) 3♠ (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.97, BB calls

River: ($3.46 - 69.20 bb) 2♠ (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Comment
Beginner strategy
I am supposed to call preflop, and since this is a re-raised pot my overpair should classify as a monster so I should bet 2/3 pot on flop and turn
My adjustment
When opponent checks on the flop and I hold the Jc, he can't have that many worse hands that will call our bet so I've decided to bet only 1/3 pot
And then bet 2/3 as hands like AK AQ should be tempted to call

Question:
FLOP
If he raises, I would call the raise, stack off on blank turns. He can have a lot hands like AcQs with a lot of equity - would folding ot a check raise be better?

Was I right to bet smaller on the flop, and stick to 2/3 pot sizing on the turn?


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MJPerry
Joined: 03.10.2011

I'd be betting more on the flop. AcX/KcX won't be folding to any bet and have a ton of equity against you that you want to charge them to realise.

Shite river.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I like to stick to the basic strategy.
Bet more on flop as 1club hands will call.


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LuckyManFromLT
Joined: 12.11.2013

I would bet 1/2 OTF and if BB x/r I'm not so sure, maybe calling is still fine and playing on blank turns, but so many bad turns, his x/r range would be something like this QQ+/AcKx/AcQx


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CPallo
Joined: 12.04.2012

Nasty flop indeed. However, he should have quite many Ax hands, as well as some hands that contain a club. So it's definitely a value-bet for here, especially when he checks. I'd go for 1/2pot or a bit more here on flops and see the turn card here.


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Lathdari
Joined: 07.10.2014

I really don't think 1/2psb provides enough protection against such a flop. If villain has A♣ he probably won't ever fold, but we want to make him pay dearly for another card. I would bet about $0.80 here. I don't especially want to get called here when there are so many bad turns possible.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

We should bet 60-70%.


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caltabiano
Joined: 09.03.2007

Definitely bet bigger on that flop and stack off IMO. Maybe he gets funny with a club, and even if he's got you beat, you have some equity, as long as he doesn't hold a overpair with a club.

We're not in awesome shape again AcX, but we're ok.

He's only calling if he's got a high club, and with that he will call or check-raise a bigger bet. And he certainly doesn't play an overpair like this on such a flop.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Originally posted by LemOn36
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Was I right to bet smaller on the flop, and stick to 2/3 pot sizing on the turn?

There is a "general" answer to this. Turn bets should be smaller than flop bets (percentagewise) because villains implied odds go down and only one chance to draw out remains. But if he is willing to call 2/3 with AQ, by all means bet it. He has 10 outs with such a hand and is making a pretty big mistake calling. There are also nut flush draws that will pay.


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CPallo
Joined: 12.04.2012

Turn bets doesn't necessarily have to be smaller, but your flop bet should be more consistent on that board. If you bet only 1/3 of pot, you are a) losing value b) giving him cheap price to catch up to you and c) related to a, the pot is smaller and you are losing even more value on turn (and if you bet on river, there too).

So rather bet like 1/2 and 1/2 than 1/3 and 2/3.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

We can bet 2/3and 1/2 on next street.


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Tomaloc
Joined: 17.01.2011

in my "theory" gameplan against a decent reg i probably play the same way. in vacuum definitely bet at least 2/3 flop turn tho


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CPallo
Joined: 12.04.2012

Originally posted by Tomaloc
in my "theory" gameplan against a decent reg i probably play the same way. in vacuum definitely bet at least 2/3 flop turn tho

So you would bet 1/3 against a NL5 reg on that board in vacuum? And as it is a 3-bet pot, you would go for 2/3?


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Tomaloc
Joined: 17.01.2011

against a nl50 reg, yes. talking about super exploitative play i don't see many reasons to think we are behind here and 2/3 seems good, doubt he folds the likely AcXc hand and his garbage range will fold anyway


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

On nl5 I prefer the basic strategy and bet 2/3.


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