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pleno1
Joined: 19.11.2010

Button is playing 100/67

I would c/r the turn for value and jam river for value, on the turn we allow him to stab with all of his bdfd floats like KJ and also with hands like pocket pairs that he feels like he should bet for whatever reason. I think these kind of whales will never fold QX to c/r or to river bet so we maximise our ev in every sense.


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Afulibador
Joined: 21.08.2009

pleno1, great to see u here... I saw ur vids and really liked ur play _biggrin:

One thing to note is that this 100/67 stats are in just 3 hands. Not much to reveal.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by pleno1
Button is playing 100/67

I would c/r the turn for value and jam river for value, on the turn we allow him to stab with all of his bdfd floats like KJ and also with hands like pocket pairs that he feels like he should bet for whatever reason. I think these kind of whales will never fold QX to c/r or to river bet so we maximise our ev in every sense.

It is just for 3 hands. The only thing we can take is that maybe he is more loose player.


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Afulibador
Joined: 21.08.2009

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by pleno1
Button is playing 100/67

I would c/r the turn for value and jam river for value, on the turn we allow him to stab with all of his bdfd floats like KJ and also with hands like pocket pairs that he feels like he should bet for whatever reason. I think these kind of whales will never fold QX to c/r or to river bet so we maximise our ev in every sense.

It is just for 3 hands. The only thing we can take is that maybe he is more loose player.

Yep, using the principles of bayesian inference.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

No, just using our brain. :)


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MJPerry
Joined: 03.10.2011

Originally posted by pleno1
Button is playing 100/67

I would c/r the turn for value and jam river for value, on the turn we allow him to stab with all of his bdfd floats like KJ and also with hands like pocket pairs that he feels like he should bet for whatever reason. I think these kind of whales will never fold QX to c/r or to river bet so we maximise our ev in every sense.

Pads is here? Are you lost?


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pleno1
Joined: 19.11.2010

its l10 and he's 100/67 over 3 hands, thats enough info for me to assume fish until proven otherwise and because of player pool we should be using population tendencies and punishing here imo.


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Afulibador
Joined: 21.08.2009

Ow, so u noticed already the 3 hands stuff and implemented ur thought w the population tendencies...
Nice to work things out that fast and start exploiting it soon. Totally agree.
As u not mentioned nothing before, I was thinking u based all of ur line in just 3 hands _tongue:


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Ugh. This is a tough spot. But I think you have to call even though you're probably beat. You're getting odds to call on the river, but 99, 33, and even 7x are all in his range here.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

What comes to the hand sample I think villain can easily hit 3 playable hands in a row especially when he starts from BB then SB and BTN and all of those ranges are wider. I think we could think he is a fish if it was 10 or even 6 hands that he played with 100vpip but in 3 hands??


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Afulibador
Joined: 21.08.2009

The idea of waiting for one complete orbit really makes sense.
Although villain could easily had 3 playable hands in a row, its still a bit more likely that he is a fishy player.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

You cannot say it for sure from just 3 hands...


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Afulibador
Joined: 21.08.2009

I never said it "for sure", I said "a bit more likely"
:)


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

lol. Not that more likely. You should wait for 1-2 rounds and then see what happens.


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Afulibador
Joined: 21.08.2009

seems like pleno1 thinks different, and I agree w him.


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thazar
Joined: 14.09.2009

even with 3 hands you have to agree that it is more likely that we have a bad player playing too many hands than a very tight player. It might be that he had 3 playable hands i's true. We do not have a sample it is true. But this is the information we have and if we have to make assumptions we should assume that the player is too loose.


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Afulibador
Joined: 21.08.2009

Sure. Ignoring that u are just laying down information, in a game that information is everything.


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