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[NL16] BB VS MP straight draw Flop +River play

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LemOn36
Joined: 07.02.2009

$0.08/$0.16Zoom No Limit Holdem
PokerStars6 Players
Stacks:
UTG Shamexx ($22.06) 138bb
UTG+1 svandx ($24.61) 154bb
CO micksher ($15.31) 96bb
BTN sillyJoke ($18.79) 117bb
SB well1312 ($14.24) 89bb
BB Hero ($16.16) 101bb
Pre-Flop: (0.24, 6 players) Hero is BB 9♣ 8♣

1 fold, svandx raises to $0.48, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.32

Flop: 6♦ 7♦ 4♠ ($1.04, 2 players)
Hero checks, svandx bets $0.64, Hero raises to $2.15, svandx raises to $4.88, Hero calls $2.73
Turn: Q♦ ($10.80, 2)
Hero checks, svandx checks
River: J♥ ($10.80, 2)
Hero goes all-in $10.80, svandx: Tanks for 25seconds

Huddless, I'm working on my default BB OOP Play as you can see here: https://forums.pokerstrategy.com/forum/thread.php?postid=2245623#post2245623
but villain has auto top up hidden from search feature =>likely reg

PRE
always flat this. I've seen Sauce 3bet stuff like KQs vs utg but this is always a flat ye?
FLOP
I felt like on a board like this I'll be always expected to cr my sets so cr with the 9high to bet turn shove rag rivers
the re-raise is so small and I should have heavy implied odds so calling seems okay vs that size?

RIVER
given the 98 being my pretty much only air I think shoving it is fine vs unknown TAG?


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MJPerry
Joined: 03.10.2011

You missed your turn analysis. Why check?


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Wouldn't donking turn would be very irrational MJ:D

I like it overall. Good poker must contain bluffs and these two spots (flop and river given holding and board) suggest themselves as nice candidates.


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MJPerry
Joined: 03.10.2011

I don't see why when presumably we'd x/r flush draws on that flop. Plus if we've already spazzed on the flop by convincing ourselves we have implied odds when we hit one of our six clean outs why not continue being irrational?


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Preflop I can make a 3 bet oop.
On flop we have equity and I do not like losing it and bluffing.
On river I am confused.


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Afulibador
Joined: 21.08.2009

I agree w this river shove.
It seems to be the worse hand of all that u can get to this river. So, if u have a bluffing range in this spot, this hand seems to fit perfectly in.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Originally posted by MJPerry
I don't see why when presumably we'd x/r flush draws on that flop. Plus if we've already spazzed on the flop by convincing ourselves we have implied odds when we hit one of our six clean outs why not continue being irrational?

Are you sure you read the HH correctly?(


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Pichux
Joined: 03.02.2009

Originally posted by MJPerry
I don't see why when presumably we'd x/r flush draws on that flop. Plus if we've already spazzed on the flop by convincing ourselves we have implied odds when we hit one of our six clean outs why not continue being irrational?

x/r FDs gets us in crap spots when villain plays as he did here IMO. Also, what's wrong with implieds here? I don't think villain is 4-beting this board w/AXdd.
It could be different with long-time regs on these limits, but I would be affraid that he calls just out of confusion.


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LemOn36
Joined: 07.02.2009

Originally posted by MJPerry
You missed your turn analysis. Why check?

It was outside of my thought process frankly!
I see your point in that line of thinking why donking would be good - but I don't know what he's folding here, and would prefer to have pretty much any diamond in my hand (do I have any?) that blocks his flushes and has added equity

I don't see calling flop being irrational really - sure I can't rule out flush draws from his range and they do make sense albeit being discounted but I'm pretty sure with the tiny sizing I can just flat along with my sets?


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MJPerry
Joined: 03.10.2011

It's not necessarily about him having flush draws himself, but how much do you expect to get out of him if you hit the Td? I also think all 5s give us no implied odds as the straight is so obvious.


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dcabello
Joined: 12.09.2008

My 2 cents on the hand.

I think flop xc is better. Yeah its kind of str8forward move having so many sets here so we can add bluffs comfortably but reality is that ppl is clicking back a lot/ not folding enough as they should on this spots. (This could be bc at NL16 they arent able to read that well or are simply more passive/spazzy I dont know).

Besides we dont really need it since we are playing our equity pre and postflop just fine. It makes our xc'ing range stronger too on some runouts.

River seems fine to me.


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