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[6-max] Semi-Bluff AI Expecting Folds

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PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
SB: 108 BB (VPIP: 18.31, PFR: 16.90, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 73)
BB: 186 BB (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 9.80, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 52)
UTG: 134 BB (VPIP: 46.67, PFR: 3.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 31)
MP: 152.5 BB (VPIP: 25.93, PFR: 24.69, 3Bet Preflop: 12.00, Hands: 84)
Hero (CO): 128 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♣ 5♣

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, SB raises to 10 BB, BB calls 9 BB, Hero calls 7 BB

Flop: (30 BB, 3 players) Q♣ T♦ 4♣
SB checks, BB bets 17 BB, Hero raises to 118 BB and is all-in, fold, BB calls 101 BB

Turn: (266 BB, 2 players) J♣

River: (266 BB, 2 players) J♦

BB shows A♦ Q♥ (Two Pair, Queens and Jacks)
(Pre 68%, Flop 62%, Turn 0%)
Hero shows A♣ 5♣ (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 32%, Flop 38%, Turn 100%)
Hero wins 256.5 BB

My thoughts: I wanted to take the pot down on the flop, but i think there's no reason to do it? Maybe if i had just called or made a small raise, i could drag SB along for more value. I have a tendency of wanting to take the pot down when i have a strong draw, fearing that its not going to complete, probably bad play IMO, is it? Also im curious about the preflop play.

Thanks!


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I don't like raising here. We have a nice draw and we have two villain's which means more implied odds. Just call.
Preflop is ok as we will be IP.


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Afulibador
Joined: 21.08.2009

Preflop since BB also called the SB 3bet, I think its fine for u to call it too.


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MJPerry
Joined: 03.10.2011

Preflop is alright but you can fold and it wouldn't be awful. If you're going to raise the flop you don't need to jam.


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Thanks guys. Would you guys fold every time against unknown if BB have not called preflop?


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Pre fine. No reason to jam with FD. If BB hadn't called I would 4bet bluff.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Yes ,this is a nice hand for 4bet bluff.


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Afulibador
Joined: 21.08.2009

Me personally, didnt had 4bet bluff at NL2.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

This fact doesn't say you played perfect for the limit.
It is ok to start building your game at the very early stages.


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MJPerry
Joined: 03.10.2011

You can definitely beat NL2 without ever 4bet bluffing, but if you do so appropriately it won't hurt your winrate. Probably the opposite.

As nitrol says, it's good to incorporate more advanced strategies into your game early-on; you don't want to have to suddenly learn an entirely new concept when you move up to NL25 or whatever.


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That makes sense guys! Problem with 3bet/4bet bluffs on NL2 IMO is that people very rarely fold their hands after they have raised or specially 3bet'ed. So i think a lot of times you're going after a big pot holding a likely busted hand? What do you guys think?


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I wouldn't say a lot of times.. But sometimes this is the case.

You don't have to 4bet against players who 3bet very tight, but if you think they are capable of 3bet bluffing, you should do that. 4bet bluffing vs calling stations is maybe not so good idea.

If you don't feel comfortable having a 4bet bluffing range, just fold this kind of hands :)


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by xavez0
That makes sense guys! Problem with 3bet/4bet bluffs on NL2 IMO is that people very rarely fold their hands after they have raised or specially 3bet'ed. So i think a lot of times you're going after a big pot holding a likely busted hand? What do you guys think?

You should always bear in mind that you 4bet as a bluff and you expect the hand to end there most of the time. And you will do this vs people that 3bet a lot and fold vs 4bet.
Postflop you should be cautious.


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Afulibador
Joined: 21.08.2009

Originally posted by MJPerry
You can definitely beat NL2 without ever 4bet bluffing, but if you do so appropriately it won't hurt your winrate. Probably the opposite.

As nitrol says, it's good to incorporate more advanced strategies into your game early-on; you don't want to have to suddenly learn an entirely new concept when you move up to NL25 or whatever.

The thing is that most of the guys at NL2 cant even do the standard plays well. Why want to bluff there if u are still learning how to properly value bet?
U can start thinking about this at NL5, NL10... will be more effective and u ll also have a more solid game (instead of trying to learn everything at the same time).


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Afulibador
Joined: 21.08.2009

xavez0, the key of every bluff is being capable of making better hands to fold. With this thinking in mind u ll be naturally more aware of who can be a good candidate to a eventual bluff (pre or posflop). Guys who never folds: bluffing = burning money.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by MJPerry
You can definitely beat NL2 without ever 4bet bluffing, but if you do so appropriately it won't hurt your winrate. Probably the opposite.

As nitrol says, it's good to incorporate more advanced strategies into your game early-on; you don't want to have to suddenly learn an entirely new concept when you move up to NL25 or whatever.

The thing is that most of the guys at NL2 cant even do the standard plays well. Why want to bluff there if u are still learning how to properly value bet?
U can start thinking about this at NL5, NL10... will be more effective and u ll also have a more solid game (instead of trying to learn everything at the same time).

The answer is very simple: the mistakes are 2-5 times cheaper on nl2.


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hippie69
Joined: 17.12.2009

what happened you panicked?


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Originally posted by hippie69
what happened you panicked?

It's explained on my thoughts: "I have a tendency of wanting to take the pot down when i have a strong draw, fearing that its not going to complete, probably bad play IMO..."


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Afulibador
Joined: 21.08.2009

The answer is very simple: the mistakes are 2-5 times cheaper on nl2.

People on NL2 do way more basic mistakes to put those too in the balance.
When they solve the basic game, then can go for these more advanced concepts (usually in a bit bigger stake).


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Afulibador
Joined: 21.08.2009

Originally posted by xavez0

Originally posted by hippie69
what happened you panicked?

It's explained on my thoughts: "I have a tendency of wanting to take the pot down when i have a strong draw, fearing that its not going to complete, probably bad play IMO..."

xavez0, like guys said, u can still play it aggressively, but not that big otf and knowing when to fold if it doesnt complete.
Bear in mind that its not a sng like spins where everybody is short, but a cash game w 100bbs+ at your disposal.


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