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Nut Straight -- best value line?

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poompah
Joined: 26.12.2011

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 100.8 BB (VPIP: 71.43, PFR: 17.86, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 28)
BTN: 237 BB (VPIP: 17.24, PFR: 10.34, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 29)
SB: 110.4 BB (VPIP: 34.62, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
Hero (BB): 103 BB
UTG: 102.4 BB (VPIP: 26.88, PFR: 23.66, 3Bet Preflop: 5.71, Hands: 99)
MP: 146.8 BB (VPIP: 24.07, PFR: 20.33, 3Bet Preflop: 5.21, Hands: 247)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has T♦ J♠

fold, MP raises to 3 BB, CO calls 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (9.4 BB, 3 players) 2♣ Q♣ K♥
Hero checks, MP bets 6.6 BB, fold, Hero calls 6.6 BB

Turn: (22.6 BB, 2 players) A♥
Hero checks, MP bets 14.2 BB, Hero raises to 35 BB, MP calls 20.8 BB

Yes -- absolutely this raise was too small -- I give good odds for all live hands to call -- doh! Probably 45-50 BB?
The question here is -- should I just jam as all his big hands are going to call here right? Who prefers a (bigger!) check-raise and shove any River?
Thoughts and reasons appreciated :)

River: (92.6 BB, 2 players) 7♣
Hero bets 57 BB, MP raises to 102.2 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 1.4 BB and is all-in

LOLZ -- I slipped up with the River shove -- so I guess when he ships over me for my last chips he has to have it and I should fold and save my 1.4BB :f_drink:


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I would squeeze this one preflop, put pressure on MP and isolate vs laggy CO. Plus we get initiative when OOP.
I am not betting this river.


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poompah
Joined: 26.12.2011

I think Flush draws are a small part of his range here -- which should be heavily skewed towards big 2P type hands -- no?


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Of course not. MP has a lot Flushes.


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poompah
Joined: 26.12.2011

How does MP have a *lot* of flushes. His PF range is skewed high with some PP and a yes a number of sooteds -- of which 3/4 have NOT made this flush. He has a lot more paired hands here than flushes IMO -- esp. good aces and KQ -- which play the same way.
What is your estimate for flushes versus big pairs? I have not done the math but my feeling is at least 2:1 in favor of big cards (that also wont fold).
He could easily also have P+heart flush combos on the Flop which he clearly bets on the Turn esp. as it is a scare card.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Of course MP has flushes here. There is plenty of suited hands in villains range. OTT he could have pair+draw, like Ac5c. When villain bets this multiway I think his range is pretty much Kx,Qx and draws, meaning :club: flush draw and straight draws. Board Ah and Kh reduces the amount of his heart draws. When he calls your turn raise I think he can have that club draw or 2 pair. Single pairs he would fold very likely and sets he should 3bet.


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poompah
Joined: 26.12.2011

Villains range isaround 20% PFR from MP -- so we include all PP, suited Aces, suited broadways and connectors down to 56s and some 2-gappers, some offsuit broadways and Aces to ATo.
Given the Flop and Turn action we can restrict Villain to only :heart: and :club: combos for his suiteds, QQ+ and 22 plus 2P hands or pair plus GS.
Does this look a reasonable range for the Turn?


Board: 2♣Q♣K♥ A♥
       Equity     Win     Tie
MP3    18.26%  12.26%   6.01% { QQ+, 22, AQs+, KQs, AcJc, KcJc, QhJh, AcTc, KcTc, QhTh, JhTh, JcTc, Ac9c, Kc9c, Qh9h, Jh9h, Jc9c, Th9h, Tc9c, Ac8c, Th8h, Tc8c, 9c8c, 9c7c, 8c7c, 8c6c, 7c6c, 6c5c, ATo+, KQo, JTo }
BB     81.74%  75.73%   6.01% { JsTd }

Given my XR sizing I think Villain can continue with a wide range of hands with live outs -- all his flush draws and pair+GS probably continue as do 2P and big sets.

The question is what will he call to the River shove?
There are a lot of club flushes -- but if we assume a call from all sets and the best 2P hands -- assuming he folds 2P except AK.

Raising the Turn is consistent with what I have, but also a set (22 or a slowplayed big pair) or a :heart: plus draw combo. It's enough to call with no? Though my estimate was wrong it is much closer to 50:50 than I thought --- hmmmm


Board: 2♣Q♣K♥ A♥ 7♣
       Equity     Win     Tie
MP3    44.19%  34.88%   9.30% { QQ+, 22, AKs, AcJc, KcJc, AcTc, KcTc, JhTh, JcTc, Ac9c, Kc9c, Jc9c, Tc9c, Ac8c, Tc8c, 9c8c, 9c7c, 8c7c, 8c6c, 7c6c, 6c5c, AKo, JTo }
BB     55.81%  46.51%   9.30% { JsTd }


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

You can discount the sets as they would have shoved ott.
On river you will face flushes most of the time when you bet...


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Yes those sets should definitely shove OTT to protect from draws. If you take sets out of his range we have only 25% equity against that range. I think he should shove some 2 pair hands too here for the same reason?


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Yes, strong hands need protection and would be played aggressively.


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CPallo
Joined: 12.04.2012

I like your line here on the turn, your raise should just be a bit bigger. River is a check and call, depending of course on a villain. That is a huge scare card for worse hands than yours after all..


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poompah
Joined: 26.12.2011

Yes you are right! I did not think of how Villain would play the Turn with 3X.


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