A9o two-pair on the turn aggressive villain

It's a pretty aggressive stand you took. Villain is re-raising you and make pot size bets. It looks very strong. I would call OTT..

I would just call ott and decide on river.

Calling and deciding OTR sounds good. But what if villain is a aggromaniac and goes for 3 streets of value with AK or QQ? If we call villain has 55.5bb in 81bb pot. Are we folding with 2 pair even if he shoves?

When faced with an opponent who is an unknown -- default to standard TAG strategy and follow standard lines post-Flop.
Calling is somewhat putting you in a tricky post-Flop spot -- but as it is a tiny raise you have to! The pot is not going to be too bloated and you can play poker...

Even though he is an unknown you do have some information: SB has raised 2 hands out of 6 so far and is raising again from the SB as a 3-bet (his 2nd 3-bet in 7 hands).
He could be running hot -- but probably not -- you have to assume it is unlikely this is a passive player or a Nit!
His 3B size is somewhat donkish which suggests he does not familiar with how to size bets correctly.

None of this is conclusive of course -- it's not a proof of anything -- while SB is not maniacal it does suggest a he is loose and aggressive and not too poker-savvy.

He also has position on you -- so I would suggest getting to showdown with this hand -- the information you get from his blind re-steal standards may serve you well later -- and how he barrels post-Flop etc.

He has also bet POT-POT which is very aggressive -- and probably means he likes his hand on a board that is Ace high.

With your range calculations you need to think more than just what he is holding -- you need to consider what he calls a shove with. You remove all his bluffing hands and hands like KK/QQ. If SB only ever calls your shove with sets or top 2P then your shove is a losing play. Calling is ok IMO -- given that a raise means you are All-in. And I do not mind calling off the River either -- although a 3rd spade or another broadway and I would have to seriously consider folding.

You can also consider adding to his range hands like 78s/89s/T9s/JTs -- although discounted as we do not have much to go on.

Call the Turn IMO -- see the River. As others have suggested. Try to showdown. If checked to on the River I would bet smallish to get a call from a worse Ace.

My feeling is that he likely has a good Ace -- he is going to show up with AA or TT sometimes -- but I am not really thinking he has 99/66 just yet -- especially as you have a blocker to 99.

Originally posted by la55i
Calling and deciding OTR sounds good. But what if villain is a aggromaniac and goes for 3 streets of value with AK or QQ? If we call villain has 55.5bb in 81bb pot. Are we folding with 2 pair even if he shoves?

That's what I thought. I would have a hard time folding in the river, and I didn't want to see another spade or J,Q.

Originally posted by poompah
When faced with an opponent who is an unknown -- default to standard TAG strategy and follow standard lines post-Flop.
Calling is somewhat putting you in a tricky post-Flop spot -- but as it is a tiny raise you have to! The pot is not going to be too bloated and you can play poker...

Even though he is an unknown you do have some information: SB has raised 2 hands out of 6 so far and is raising again from the SB as a 3-bet (his 2nd 3-bet in 7 hands).
He could be running hot -- but probably not -- you have to assume it is unlikely this is a passive player or a Nit!
His 3B size is somewhat donkish which suggests he does not familiar with how to size bets correctly.

None of this is conclusive of course -- it's not a proof of anything -- while SB is not maniacal it does suggest a he is loose and aggressive and not too poker-savvy.

He also has position on you -- so I would suggest getting to showdown with this hand -- the information you get from his blind re-steal standards may serve you well later -- and how he barrels post-Flop etc.

He has also bet POT-POT which is very aggressive -- and probably means he likes his hand on a board that is Ace high.

With your range calculations you need to think more than just what he is holding -- you need to consider what he calls a shove with. You remove all his bluffing hands and hands like KK/QQ. If SB only ever calls your shove with sets or top 2P then your shove is a losing play. Calling is ok IMO -- given that a raise means you are All-in. And I do not mind calling off the River either -- although a 3rd spade or another broadway and I would have to seriously consider folding.

You can also consider adding to his range hands like 78s/89s/T9s/JTs -- although discounted as we do not have much to go on.

Call the Turn IMO -- see the River. As others have suggested. Try to showdown. If checked to on the River I would bet smallish to get a call from a worse Ace.

My feeling is that he likely has a good Ace -- he is going to show up with AA or TT sometimes -- but I am not really thinking he has 99/66 just yet -- especially as you have a blocker to 99.

Wow, thaks for the answer. For me, there's a lot of valuable information in your post about the ranges calculations and the way I should think. Will redo the math later at home considering all the things you said. So I can practice a little.

Now I think calling turn would have been better.

Originally posted by la55i
Calling and deciding OTR sounds good. But what if villain is a aggromaniac and goes for 3 streets of value with AK or QQ? If we call villain has 55.5bb in 81bb pot. Are we folding with 2 pair even if he shoves?

We will call but this way we keep his range wide and keep All his Ax hands planty of which we still beat.

We will call but this way we keep his range wide and keep All his Ax hands planty of which we still beat.

Yes precisely -- nice clarifying comment -- CALLING will net you more value on later streets against his weaker holdings rather than only get calls from his strongest hands (which may be less +EV overall or even -EV on some boards).

Perhaps I should also add what I think the implications of your Villain being *not too poker-savvy* are:
-- does not extract the most value when you are beat
-- overplays his good to mediocre hands
-- massively overvalues hands like TP
-- bluffs in nonsensical spots or can be induced to bluff more easily

So I would look for these tendencies.

Than min-3b-raise pre at micros is always super weird, but I'd also go with call turn with the intention of actually calling river too. Raising OTT could give you to make him call with worse Ax combos but I'd rather keep him betting on me since I've got position.