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AKo fold vs 3-bet

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robin261187
Joined: 04.01.2011

Full Tilt - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 95 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
Hero (UTG): 361.5 BB
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 13.43, PFR: 11.94, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 68)
CO: 93 BB (VPIP: 58.82, PFR: 17.65, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 17)
BTN: 271 BB (VPIP: 23.43, PFR: 11.99, 3Bet Preflop: 0.88, Hands: 377)
SB: 864 BB (VPIP: 25.97, PFR: 19.48, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 78)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♦ A♠

Hero raises to 4 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 4 BB, SB raises to 15 BB, fold, fold

This hand bugged me a lot.

Don't know if I should have shoved pre-flop, or perhaps 4-bet. I was up against a very solid player who I have been paying attention for a while. He 3-bets a raise from UTG with 1 other caller having to play out of position on the flop. If I had about 100BB I think I would have shoved, but since I had 361BB, I didn't want to risk it with less than KK.

Even if I give him a wider range, like QQ+, AK, my equity is only 39%.


       Equity     Win     Tie
MP2    38.82%  18.15%  20.68% { AsKd }
SB     61.18%  40.50%  20.68% { QQ+, AKs, AKo }

What do you think about how I played? Too tight? If my stack was smaller, would a raise all-in be ok? What about his range? I don't think 78 hands is enough to assume anything about his 3-bet range.


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Hesticus
Joined: 24.06.2008

I think we can shove here vs BB. We most probably would let BTN fold so we are heads up. In that case, you have enough equity against BB IMO. Remember that BB also could try to take the pot outright since BTN only calls and shows weakness.


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VaskataBuci
Joined: 08.08.2011

Call.


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Grokken
Joined: 26.03.2011

I think folding here is definitely too weak. You are most likely ahead of SB's range, and you also have position on him.


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inceptioner
Joined: 23.05.2012

Imo there's only one button we should be pressing against that squeeze and that button is call.


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Pistoleroo
Joined: 06.02.2015

Originally posted by Hesticus
I think we can shove here vs BB. We most probably would let BTN fold so we are heads up. In that case, you have enough equity against BB IMO. Remember that BB also could try to take the pot outright since BTN only calls and shows weakness.

Too bad SB is raising. This deep i think a call is fine.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

If we fold AKo what we will defend here? AA?
Call and see a flop.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Folding here is way too weak.
"He 3-bets a raise from UTG with 1 other caller" This is called squeezing, he could do this with ATo...
This deep I would not shove.. Just call and see the flop.


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robin261187
Joined: 04.01.2011

Hey, guys. Thanks for the answers.

As it seems, the majority of opinions here is that a call would have been better.

I was really worried about risking all my stack by shoving. I was also worried about hitting A or K and loose even more money in case he had AA or KK. It was almost at the end of my session and I didn't want to finish the day on red. =P

But I agree with you guys, a call would have been better. And if I hit top pair, fold to too much agression.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Yes, we should call and proceed with caution postflop. We are deep and we don't want big pot.


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Jaissica
Joined: 10.02.2009

Folding here is not a mistake if it is against a player you are not comfortable playing pots with, especially with regards to the effective stack sizing.

More importantly it can be worth standing up and changing tables when you are so deep, if it makes you uncomfortable. Some players love playing super deep and others cant hand it at all; for those who don't like it, this is a variable that is wholly inside of your control and should be acted on accordingly.


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krasops
Joined: 02.02.2014

folding is bad...

call is std...


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Two things about OP:

It could be read as you contemplating either shoving or folding. Shoving would be beyond terrible. (But I may have misread.) Conclusion: If you proceed, you are calling.

Secondly, Equilab rundown calculations are totally useless this deep (since you aren't ever shoving).

Call, and play poker. You have a big hand and position.


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