Originally posted by UPAY4DINNER
Originally posted by LeliannaLee
Originally posted by Dadramel
Originally posted by LeliannaLee
but I don't want any form of abuse as I get plenty of that at the table because I'm a "gurrrrrl". I know I'm a fishAnd how'd they find out?
And this is exactly what I mean.
End of my posts here.
That's the spirit!
Go away, little boy.
Originally posted by LeliannaLee
I'm getting a bit disheartened with tournament play at present. Apart from when I'm a short stack and in 'shove or fold' mode, I'm getting knocked out of all my tournaments with the best hand. The exceptions to this are if I meet AA or KK with AK or maybe shoving with st & fl draw on flop (even then I'm sometimes ahead) but the rest of the time I'm losing when in front, sometimes with a big advantage. Just KO'd from tourney with all chips going in on the turn. I have 2 pairs, 9s & 7s, villain has 88. River comes an 8. I know it's no worse than what others suffer but it's incessant. Sometimes it crosses my mind to play trash and suck out on them but I know it's not the right way to play. Dunno how players win tourneys constantly when you have to face this crap day in and day out. Maybe I'm just not cut out to play poker.
You mean how they can make such a great results almost constantly? Like tonkaaaa (Parker)? Well they have played million of hands before they get to that level. Build BR to so high level that they even don't care what BI level they play. Tournament selection (weaker field) is also very important, etc.
I recomend you to follow tonkaaaa on twitch so you can see how he is playing thinking. But don't try to play like him. He now excatly what to do with what hand and against who. He knows how opponent adjust. He thinks probably 3 levels ahead of everyone that he is against. But he didn't get to that level after 100 tournaments, not even over 10000. He get to that level with playing 10 tousents of tourneys. After a lot of analyzes. Once he ssad that he is so good at poker because he lowe to learn about poker. And this is definitely what is true. If you look at best sportsmans you can see that they train 90% of the time and play just 10%. Poker is specific and you can't get better with just learning it. You need also to play a lot. But for beginners is good study to play ration 1:1 (1h of study, 1h of play).And believe me they also get bad beats. Just watch twitch poker and you will see that they are also loosing PF all-ins with AA against QJs for example. Tournaments are even toughter, because you will get to first 3 places only around 2% of the time or even not so much. Good ITM is around 20% and if you are just ITM you get only BI back. So that basically mean that 80 tournaments from 100 you won't get to $, 18 tournaments you will get deep but will get let say just 3BI's and on another 2 tournaments you will get to FT and maybe 1 of them win. So really don't worry about results here. If you will do it, then you will get frustrated verry quickly, start tilting, making bad decisions and loosing money.
Rather focus on making good decisions, marking opponents that making bad decisions and taking notes on them so next time that you are against them you will know what to expect from them.
You can also read my BR Challenge (SUPERNOVA Challenge And Much More - The Bankroll Challenge) and I can tell you that I am getting those bad beats every day.Focus only on things that you can have influence on and try not to be too excited when you are winning and not too downhearted when you are loosing. Poker face all the time.
GL at tables!
Guess I should focus one tourney at a time, try not to make silly errors, don't dwell on the past and try and stay away from those who can take me out with one hit. Right now I'm in a tourney with 6000 runners, down to 2000 and I'm lying 90th with 96 bb. Keep your fingers and toes crossed for me, please. 
Edit: I actually just laid down a fh. In blind with T9, flop T Q T, I flat call utg's flop bet, Q on turn, he bets hard. A bit nitty but I laid it down anyway.
Here ya go....this is the crap I have to put up with incessantly. After you've looked through it (please find a fault in my play if there is one) then peek at the river and see if you cringe like I did.
Poker Stars $0.50+$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t600/t1200 Blinds + t150 - 9 players - View hand 2879997
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter
UTG+2: t27599 M = 8.76
MP1: t34661 M = 11.00
MP2: t12400 M = 3.94
Villain CO: t30996 M = 9.84
BTN: t49626 M = 15.75
SB: t23103 M = 7.33
Hero (BB): t35929 M = 11.41
UTG: t45006 M = 14.29
UTG+1: t34026 M = 10.80
Pre Flop: (t3150) Hero is BB with A 
A 
5 folds, CO calls t1200, 2 folds, Hero raises to t3960, CO calls t2760
Flop: (t9870) 2 T 5 
(2 players)
Hero bets t4935, CO calls t4935
Turn: (t19740) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets t26884 all in, CO calls t21951 all in
River: (t63642) T (2 players - 2 are all in)
Villain shows J♥:T♥: (three of a kind, Tens)
Villain collected 63642 from pot
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When he called my flop bet I was certain he had top pair which was why I shoved; I knew he'd call.
BOOM!!!!!!!!
FML! 
Its just suck out, get used to it those happen to all of us. You are actually lucky that they call you with those hands.
It's not the reason you're losing, start looking at your leaks instead of these silly hands & complaining about how hard it is to be a girl in online poker- just use a male username instead of all this whining. [Edited by Lazza61 - Unneccessary]. All this drama is attention whoring, hide your gender and just play poker (or use it in your favor) don't even bring it up.
Originally posted by LeliannaLee
I'm quite happy to accept criticism but I don't want any form of abuse as I get plenty of that at the table because I'm a "gurrrrrl".
Hmmm, it really doesn't look like you take criticism well at all and here is why.
Originally posted by LeliannaLee
Originally posted by Dadramel
Originally posted by LeliannaLee
but I don't want any form of abuse as I get plenty of that at the table because I'm a "gurrrrrl". I know I'm a fishAnd how'd they find out?
And this is exactly what I mean.
End of my posts here.
First bit of solid advice and you take it as an insult and you've become so insulted that you no longer want to post here.
Originally posted by LeliannaLee
Originally posted by arthurbentley
You will need a thick skin to succeed at poker because emotions get the better of nearly everyone who plays it with the exception of Phil Ivy of course. So remember that old adage, 'Sticks and stones may break my bones.'I get what you're saying but I'm fed up of the abuse/sarcasm/sexual innuendo I get because I'm female. I've been called b*, c, sl** and other things at the table and I've only been playing a month. It's got so bad I mostly turn my chat off now when I play and hide myself from search; the moderators are a joke and do nothing if you report it. God knows what these people would be like if I hit a set on the river to bust them; probably hire a hitman!
No-one called you a c*** here, nor abused you etc. But when you act the way you do then you have to accept the consequences! If not, then this is not the place for you. It's better to learn that lesson now, rather than waste time, energy, money etc.
Originally posted by LeliannaLee
Originally posted by UPAY4DINNER
Originally posted by LeliannaLee
Originally posted by Dadramel
Originally posted by LeliannaLee
but I don't want any form of abuse as I get plenty of that at the table because I'm a "gurrrrrl". I know I'm a fishAnd how'd they find out?
And this is exactly what I mean.
End of my posts here.
That's the spirit!
Go away, little boy.
Again, taking criticism is not your strong point.
Originally posted by SWScuracao
Its just suck out, get used to it those happen to all of us. You are actually lucky that they call you with those hands.It's not the reason you're losing, start looking at your leaks instead of these silly hands & complaining about how hard it is to be a girl in online poker- just use a male username instead of all this whining. This causes even more guys to trip over their dicks to post here as fast as they can. All this drama is attention whoring, hide your gender and just play poker (or use it in your favor) don't even bring it up.
Originally posted by LeliannaLee
Wow! How to get insta-blocked. See ya!
Again, more genuine good advice that you don't listen to just plainly ignore.
Originally posted by LeliannaLee
Here ya go....this is the crap I have to put up with incessantly. After you've looked through it (please find a fault in my play if there is one) then peek at the river and see if you cringe like I did.
Again don't put focus on results. Most of the time they will hurt you. Better to look what you can do different to prevent this in the future. If your play was ok, then is nothing to worry about and just move on. But you need to remember something. And this hand is perfect example. AA is just a pair and nothing more. So you need to look at it that way. If you are against tight opponent you must check on turn or bet 1/3 of poit on flop and turn (this is best line I think) so you can fold if he raise, because he will have set most of the time. Especially on those micro stakes. If you are against loose opponent who will have tons of Tx hands, then don't worry and take your line. But in that case I would bet around pot on flop and shove turn.
So important leson from that hand is what opponent you are against.
When I saw result I can just tell you that you miss value on flop by betting just 1/2 of it. against that opponent bet pot on flop and shove on turn. But you get max value on turn so don't worry too much.
GL at tables!
Thanks, mylove. I didn't play again after that beat, instead I took your advice and went to twitch to watch tonkaaaa play. I loaded up one of his videos, the one where he won the Thursday Thrill, and I watched the whole seven hours! I guess that shows a willingness to learn if nothing else. 
The guy is a machine and his stream, as well as informative, is also highly entertaining to watch. I love the guy! And he got beats that made mine look like nothing. Like falling behind to a set on the flop, turning a flush, and then losing to a boat on the river as well as out flopping 99 only to see a 9 on the river. It was too sick. Over just a few hands he went from chip leader to tail-end Charlie, lying 12/12, with hands that would have made me throw my laptop out of the window and puke on the floor! You could tell it threw him as well, but even steaming a little he just plugged on and continued playing the same way and turned it all around and won the tourney. I learned a lot just watching that; not so much about how to play the game - his thinking goes beyond normal - but about how to control myself and not let things get to me so much. He normally streams on Saturdays so I'm hoping to watch again today. If I could become half the player he is I would be well happy.
I'll keep going but I'm going to do more study than playing. I was also watching some stuff from Andrew Brokos concerning hand reading; do you think that's something that'll be helpful to me? There's so much info out there that it'd be easy to get swamped by it all so any recommendations you have would be gratefully received.
By the way, I tried to send you a friend request but it seems I'm too lowly an acolyte to have that privilege on here for now. Once again, thanks for your help and insight. 
Hi LeliannaLee,
You definitely made a step in the right direction. Every player knows how much a bad beat can hurt, and learning how to deal with them is an important, but not always easy step in your poker career.
You already mentioned experienced players like tonkaaaa on twitch, who seem to do a pretty good job brushing these things off. One reason these players are able to do it is because after playing for so long, they have pretty much "seen it all", and realized that it's part of the game. Given enough time, you are bound to encounter even the most unlikely situations at the tables. It is virtually impossible to be 100% unfazed by some of those particularly nasty beats, even as a pro, but you can always do your best to limit their impact.
I'm not sure how familiar you are with popular poker clips on the internet, but you can find some truly insane examples over there. Here are just a few of them:
And in case you haven't seen it yet, here is Phil Hellmuth's legendary "run it four times" hand. It never gets old.
It may be too early in your career to commit to buying training material, but if you decide that you're serious about poker, I can definitely recommend Jared Tendler's book The Mental Game of Poker. This is the definitive source on poker psychology, in my opinion. You can find it - and its sequel - in our books section.
About strategy articles, it seems that you're mostly into tournament poker, so you may want to check out Asaban's MTT Beginner Course. If you like SNGs, you may also be interested in our Overview of SNG lessons.
Most importantly, though, don't forget to have fun with the game. It's easy to get carried away these days.
It may be too early in your career to commit to buying training material, but if you decide that you're serious about poker, I can definitely recommend Jared Tendler's book The Mental Game of Poker. This is the definitive source on poker psychology, in my opinion. You can find it - and its sequel - in our books section.
I was just thinking of recommending this myself as well 
This book gives you exactly the tools to work on your bad beats as I skim through these messages and spot mostly 'mental' issues, rather than game issues.
Originally posted by LeliannaLee
I'll keep going but I'm going to do more study than playing. I was also watching some stuff from Andrew Brokos concerning hand reading; do you think that's something that'll be helpful to me? There's so much info out there that it'd be easy to get swamped by it all so any recommendations you have would be gratefully received.By the way, I tried to send you a friend request but it seems I'm too lowly an acolyte to have that privilege on here for now. Once again, thanks for your help and insight.
I don't know much about Andrew Brokos. It is important that you don't read stuff from 2010 about how to play poker, because poker goes with time more than any other stuff. Probably even faster than computer industry. Every year or even every 6 months you get some new strategy, theory and so on. But for starters it is still good, because micros are not so inovative than higher stakes, where every edge counts. On micros you can still win with ABC poker. No crazy bluffs necessary.
I would rather recomend to you to go through mental staff first and watch those guys on twitch how they deal with bad beats. Not there play, but there mental strenght. Watch tonkaaaa, jamiestaples or kevinmartin. Watch them and see how they deal with bad-beats. And learn from analyzes of your game and posts hands here on forum. But first of all mental preparation and understanding that variance will happen and it can be verry nasty. As well as other concepts that are there. Such as insults and so on.
Just remember. EVERYTHING THAT MAKES YOUR GAME WORSE TRY TO ELIMINATE. You won't change how other react. But you can change how you are reacting on theres behaviour. You can change how you are reacting when something bad happens to you. Controll your filings and then you will be able to make right decisions every time.I will try to send you friend request if you have some issues by doing it.
GL at tables!
