KK 3bet pot mono baord

You can exclude 44 33 55, it leaves JJ, if he raises flop, go all in, if he raises turn, call him out having some outs

I am not sure if we can leave 44, 33, 55 completely. People often call these in this spot.

If he raises flop it is close between calling and folding I feel. Ifwe would call a raise otf I would check call the turn since he can go allin against our bet. Ofc in both cases it depends how much he bets - especially ott.

Btw: I like how u played the hand kncluding sizings.

I also think we can't completely exclude 33,44,55. I think it is ok to bet 2 streets with our overpair+FD but since some sets are possible and we do not have nut FD it would be better to fold to a raise?

If he raises flop it is not even close - your are flipping vs. A♣:X which might be one of his worst hands if he raises. I doubt he would raise Q♣::Qx: on this board. So -fold.

Vs a raise we should fold.
How about playing this passively?

I'm not sure if that is good. I don't think there is any more value if we slowplay this. Villain might give up on this board whether we bet the flop or not, fourth club can kill the action and we don't have Ac. Now we can extract some value from other pairs or single club hands. Do you think passive line would be better and if so, why?

I think that as we do not draw to nuts we should xc.
I prefer betting with non club KK.

Originally posted by nitrol
I think that as we do not draw to nuts we should xc.
I prefer betting with non club KK.

I think we still want to get value from his one club + x hands already on the flop. He will call with QcX, JcX, TcX. Villain will call with his QQ, JJ, TT often enough I think.

But we should fold all this equity vs a raise and we can already be dead...

Originally posted by nitrol
But we should fold all this equity vs a raise and we can already be dead...

I don't understand at all how do you mean this. Do you mean like "we don't bet cause we gotta fold if our bet get raised" ?

I do not like pumping the pot when I may be behind already.

Originally posted by nitrol
I do not like pumping the pot when I may be behind already.

so you never cbet because in every pot you may be behind lol

So you should read more carefully.. I wrote what hands I prefer cbetting with.

Originally posted by nitrol
I do not like pumping the pot when I may be behind already.

Ok so u dont bet here and u r willing to miss all possible value (including his hands like AxQc, AxJc, AxTc with which he will give us his whole stqck quite often if the flush comes) since there exist part of villans range which have us beat or will have us beat with higher flush for example if the flush actually completes on future streets ?

Originally posted by VaskataBuci
If he raises flop it is not even close - your are flipping vs. A♣:X which might be one of his worst hands if he raises. I doubt he would raise Q♣::Qx: on this board. So -fold.

Yeah, u r right I feel.

Originally posted by msnek

Originally posted by nitrol
I do not like pumping the pot when I may be behind already.

Ok so u dont bet here and u r willing to miss all possible value (including his hands like AxQc, AxJc, AxTc with which he will give us his whole stqck quite often if the flush comes) since there exist part of villans range which have us beat or will have us beat with higher flush for example if the flush actually completes on future streets ?

AcX has 11 outs and will call.
AxQc, AxJc are not giving us his whole stack here. Be more accurate.

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by msnek

Originally posted by nitrol
I do not like pumping the pot when I may be behind already.

Ok so u dont bet here and u r willing to miss all possible value (including his hands like AxQc, AxJc, AxTc with which he will give us his whole stqck quite often if the flush comes) since there exist part of villans range which have us beat or will have us beat with higher flush for example if the flush actually completes on future streets ?

AcX has 11 outs and will call.
AxQc, AxJc are not giving us his whole stack here. Be more accurate.

I think AxQc and AxJc is giving us his whole (or at least big portion of) stack often enough. People have problems with folding big hands.

But you haven't answered me my question. Well you did, but more like Socrates So you think there is not enough worse hands villain will call us with ?