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advancedTN1984
Joined: 29.10.2012

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by advancedTN1984

Originally posted by nitrol

It should be close to 100!!!

Close to 100 is not exactly 100.....

We can xc our strong Ax on dry Axx boards...

I would c-bet those, and go for potentially 3 streets of value depending on board.


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msnek
Joined: 01.10.2008

Originally posted by advancedTN1984

Originally posted by la55i
If we had A2 here I would usually bet flop and usually turn and then decide OTR (probably check folding).
Have you watched w34z3l's poker in practice series?

We dont know if villain is betting his missed flusdraws on river and we lose by folding. Usually when giving the opportunity to bluff they will bluff once or twice and than shut down.

Yes. We don't know. But still you say villains will bluff. But you said we don't know. Which is true. See, u jave no info on this villaon whatsoever. So u gotta stay at the first level of thinking - general assumptions. We should ask our selves: "What will most people do in this spot mpst of the time?" You can find answer to this question in databases, in your own database if big enough, in coaching videos and by asking people playing that limit with lot of recent and/or longterm experience. And the answer is mostly they dont bluff. They dont stab. They dont bet missed draws. Check your own database (again, if it is big enough). :)


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I agree with the post above. With the playing style we are suggesting you are vulnerable to some bluffs but still population reads say that at NL10 call-call-bet is a strong line and rarely used as a bluff so it is ok to fold. Vs some villains we are still going to bluffcatch with some hands so I wouldn't worry too much about that.


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advancedTN1984
Joined: 29.10.2012

Originally posted by msnek

Originally posted by advancedTN1984

Originally posted by la55i
If we had A2 here I would usually bet flop and usually turn and then decide OTR (probably check folding).
Have you watched w34z3l's poker in practice series?

We dont know if villain is betting his missed flusdraws on river and we lose by folding. Usually when giving the opportunity to bluff they will bluff once or twice and than shut down.

Yes. We don't know. But still you say villains will bluff. But you said we don't know. Which is true. See, u jave no info on this villaon whatsoever. So u gotta stay at the first level of thinking - general assumptions. We should ask our selves: "What will most people do in this spot mpst of the time?" You can find answer to this question in databases, in your own database if big enough, in coaching videos and by asking people playing that limit with lot of recent and/or longterm experience. And the answer is mostly they dont bluff. They dont stab. They dont bet missed draws. Check your own database (again, if it is big enough). :)
My general assumption is that villain will bluff a decent amount of time, when checked to on Ace high, king high, Q high boards. Etc and will fold those lbuffs when we bet into villain.


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msnek
Joined: 01.10.2008

Originally posted by advancedTN1984

Originally posted by msnek

Originally posted by advancedTN1984

Originally posted by la55i
If we had A2 here I would usually bet flop and usually turn and then decide OTR (probably check folding).
Have you watched w34z3l's poker in practice series?

We dont know if villain is betting his missed flusdraws on river and we lose by folding. Usually when giving the opportunity to bluff they will bluff once or twice and than shut down.

Yes. We don't know. But still you say villains will bluff. But you said we don't know. Which is true. See, u jave no info on this villaon whatsoever. So u gotta stay at the first level of thinking - general assumptions. We should ask our selves: "What will most people do in this spot mpst of the time?" You can find answer to this question in databases, in your own database if big enough, in coaching videos and by asking people playing that limit with lot of recent and/or longterm experience. And the answer is mostly they dont bluff. They dont stab. They dont bet missed draws. Check your own database (again, if it is big enough). :)
My general assumption is that villain will bluff a decent amount of time, when checked to on Ace high, king high, Q high boards. Etc and will fold those lbuffs when we bet into villain.

Thats completely ok. You have different general assumption, thats fine. But you always gotta ask your self - is my assumption right ? No matter what, there is always possibility anybody can be wrong about anything (ofc we can be wrong also).

I recommend you to go through your database (continually) and mark similar spots. When you will have sample big enoug (if ever) you can check what is more likely to be true. Also you can write down every similar spot you will see in any kind of coaching video and add these. Also you can check what general assumptions have coaches in their theory videos. Of course, you can have yours, which is different to ours. Its up to you. Poker is about looking for mistakes in our play and in our general thinking all the time on and on and on. Good luck :)


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