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straddle007
Joined: 15.07.2012

Yop all.

still zoom, so no info on villain.

It stinks a lot TT-JJ, but do we can bet / fold flop vs randome? Turn?

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 114.1 BB (VPIP: 27.78, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
Hero (SB): 118.2 BB
BB: 80 BB
UTG: 104.7 BB (VPIP: 62.50, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 8)
MP: 82 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
CO: 225.2 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♦ A♠

fold, MP raises to 3 BB, CO calls 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 14 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 11 BB

Flop: (32 BB, 2 players) 4♣ T♠ J♣
Hero bets 21 BB, CO raises to 52 BB, Hero calls 31 BB

Turn: (136 BB, 2 players) 5♠
Hero checks, CO bets 60 BB, Hero ???


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Hesticus
Joined: 24.06.2008

I would fold here OTT. Villain looks strong. We'd rather build the pot where we def know we have equity or FE.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

The problem is that the turn card does not change anything...
We should fold flop then.


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Mandator
Joined: 02.02.2008

If you call the raise OTF you are committing yourself with the pot, if you are not confident, then Fold flop.

As played, besides of TT, JJ... He can have a couple KQs combos, QQ and maybe KK but not too often. I would make a cry call probably


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Villain has TT,JJ,JT,KQ and some combos of QQ,KK. Maybe sometimes some other draws.
Folding OTF is ok but I think we can go broke also. That shouldn't be bad. It would be easier with some info on villain but I guess we have none.


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pokerplayernumber1
Joined: 05.06.2010

i dont think you folded this
i wouldnt too


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5trang3
Joined: 24.05.2016

This is a very tough spot. I think we can fold on the turn. It's so hard to fold on the flop there because AA is so close to the top of our range when we take this line. Only JJ and TT are any higher.

The question to ask on the turn is if villain is ever doing this with like KcQc or like AcKc or AcQc (some big draws). Can he do this with like QQ or KK for value? It's debatable, same with Ax of clubs and KQo. So I think this is a fold. A sick spot, but sometimes you just have to fold :(


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

You should ask those questions on flop. Why call the flop raise if you will ask questions and fold on a blank card. The flop investment is wrong then.


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5trang3
Joined: 24.05.2016

Yes, but as I said, you simply cannot fold on the flop in my opinion. So the questions only really begin on the turn.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

If we assume that villain has some strong draws and maybe a few bluffs here and we have to call flop because of that. The same applies OTT because nothing changes. Or do we think that villain is going to get passive with his monsterdraw after we call OTF?


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5trang3
Joined: 24.05.2016

This is what I am thinking actually. A lot of the random draws villain might raise on the flop he may just decide to check and see a free card with on the turn, especially if he thinks we are not going to be folding very often after calling the flop.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I do not think calling is ok on flop:
MP2 23.24% 23.19% 0.05% AdAs
MP3 76.76% 76.71% 0.05% JJ-TT, AcQc, KcQc, 9c8c

QQ, AK - he can 4b
I do not think he will raise AcTc, KcTc, QcTc


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