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slippyjim
Joined: 07.10.2011

Yes I know 24BB is a big shove, but do I really want to risk raising to 3BB and then going 3 way OTF? If the CO calls then the SB has to
Raise more 4-5BB? Then cbet 4-5BB get called and if I have to give up then suddenly 1/3 of my stack is gone

Seat 3 is the button
CO - VPIP: 38, PFR: 8, 3B: 0, AF: 3.3, Hands: 103 limp/f 71%
SB - VPIP: 27, PFR: 3, 3B: 0, AF: 0.7, Hands: 148 limp/f 43%

Poker Stars, $3.11 Buy-in (40/80 blinds, 10 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: 2,448 (30.6 bb)
Hero (BB): 1,943 (24.3 bb)
MP: 4,624 (57.8 bb)
CO: 3,270 (40.9 bb)
BTN: 1,215 (15.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K♣: A♥:
MP folds, CO calls 80, BTN folds, SB completes, Hero raises to 1,933 and is all-in, 2 folds

Results:

Spoiler

290 pot
Hero mucked K♣: A♥: and won 290 (200 net)


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

The shove is +ev here and based you are playing a 3,50c SNG you can expect that raising normal will be more +ev on the long run, because those players now most of the time better what they do than on the 50c stakes for example and then you can win post-flop the hand easier than against mere unpredictable players. Also it’s a good option to make it 4bb out of position against 1 limper and the SB that complete here.

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SDK1987


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TomClassy
Joined: 06.05.2015

I don't think that opponents should be judged only based on the fact that they play more expensive tournaments. I think on 0.5$ those in the hand are of no difference here with such stats and should expect your raise called for set mining or by some suited connectors and continue at least for one street OTF especially when they see it safe or good for their hand. As soon as you don't have much space to play postflop after you make a standart 5 bb raise and cbet will get you committed I feel that shoving here is better (say feel but not sure coz situations like this demand a complex mathematical analysis for sure).
It would be nice of you if you could elaborate on why it is more +EV to make a standart raise from the math standpoint. I just think that if I start working on it I will just never end. May be you at least give some directions on where to start to analyse such situations efective in mathematical terms.


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slippyjim
Joined: 07.10.2011

Originally posted by TomClassy
As soon as you don't have much space to play postflop after you make a standart 5 bb raise and cbet will get you committed

That is exactly what I was thinking, against one player I would be ok with a cbet but do I cbet 8♦:7♦:J♣: into 2 players?


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