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wealthybrainer
Joined: 01.05.2013

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $51.85 (103.7 bb)
BB: $49.19 (98.4 bb)
UTG+2: $63.52 (127 bb)
MP1: $50 (100 bb)
MP2: $50 (100 bb)
Hero (MP3): $117.88 (235.8 bb)
CO: $67.73 (135.5 bb)
BTN: $51.31 (102.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 3♥: 3♦:
UTG+2 raises to $1.50, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.50, CO raises to $6, 3 folds, UTG+2 calls $4.50, Hero calls $4.50

Flop: ($18.75) 3♣: T♦: 7♥: (3 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($18.75) 7♣: (3 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero bets $8.90, CO calls $8.90, UTG+2 folds

River: ($36.55) 9♥: (2 players)
Hero bets $24, CO raises to $52.83 and is all-in, Hero calls $28.83

Results:

Spoiler

$142.21 pot ($2.00 rake)
Final Board: 3♣: T♦: 7♥: 7♣: 9♥:
Hero showed 3♥: 3♦: and lost (-$67.73 net)
CO showed T♣: T♥: and won $140.21 ($72.48 net)

I was thinking folding this hand. Can I expect any bluffs in this spot?


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Mozzek
Joined: 16.07.2016

I´m not sure if calling 3 bet PF with 33 worth it (somebody explain please if it is :)) I wouldn´t slow play it in 3 way, so bet OTF. OTR I would call, as the draw completes and we have full house. What beats us is: 99 (2 combos), TT (2 combos), 77 (1 comb). On the other hand he might go crazy with straight pretty often imo. As well I guess he might try to bluff there (from what I´ve heard about NL50), but that depends on villain I guess.


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wealthybrainer
Joined: 01.05.2013

I considered that not many players may expect me calling 33 so I think there is added value for that. Firstly, I don't believe I would have a donking range because squeezer has very strong range comparing to callers. If villain was searching for a spot to bluff, he would simply cbet.


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Tomaloc
Joined: 17.01.2011

it's FR but i'm finding it very hard to put him on better fulls exclusively :f_biggrin: i don't feel that like 1 combo of AA is completely out of the question


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I do not like the preflop play. Fold and move on from the beginning.
You can donk flop when mw.
There is no fold postflop with your hand.


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wealthybrainer
Joined: 01.05.2013

"You can donk flop when mw." why exacly on this spot?


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I think you can play pre like this. Setmining should be profitable since you have 2 guys in the pot and you are all a bit deep.
I agree with nitrol that you can lead when multiway. And there is no folding postflop with this hand.

Originally posted by wealthybrainer
"You can donk flop when mw." why exacly on this spot?

To avoid this exact thing that just happened. Everyone checked OTF. This is a 3bet pot and there are so many overpairs and overcards etc that will call our bet.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by wealthybrainer
"You can donk flop when mw." why exacly on this spot?

Because we do not want the flop to go check-check-check. And if you remember it is a squeezed pot and there are possible overpairs that are willing to call you. Plus we do not know if some vards that may fall on turn will kill the action.
We want to build the pot when we hit a set.


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wealthybrainer
Joined: 01.05.2013

well I was gonna stack no matter what so this hand doesn't seem a good argument for donking. I'm still not convinced why to donk bet when he will cbet almost always (wouldn't he?)


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Did he cbet? No..... :)


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wealthybrainer
Joined: 01.05.2013

yeah, when he had nuts. But yeah, read your post again, seems legit


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

In multiway pots original raisers checks flop very often. Any combo of broadway cards can check but they will call our bet. And as nitrol said, there are some turn cards that can kill the action and we want to put as much money as possible in the pot while we are still a favorite.


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pisiattu
Joined: 01.04.2010

I fold pre vs open raise, as played i call after squeeze e call of original raiser, and i bet turn, river i overshove or i bet a smallish size, have you mani bluff here?

Oppo can shove 7x i bet call river


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wealthybrainer
Joined: 01.05.2013

pisiattu, wouldn't you donk bet flop? others said they would


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pisiattu
Joined: 01.04.2010

You haven t overpair and with tx you don t lead, you must check also set ; it is a board dry original 3bettor can cbetting often in bluff also in 3way imho
Donknet isn a mistake but i prefer check all my range here

From mp i fold vs open 33 i defend very tight with many villains back


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

A math perspective on the river (I write GTO when I mean "balanced play". It is shorter to write and nearly the same on the river):

Pot odds on the river are 113.38:28.83. You need 20% equity.

GTO-wise, he should be value raising/bluff raising in proportions 4:1. According to these numbers you should fold very little (because of pot odds), but this is not the whole story.

How much should you fold according to GTO? Since he invests $52.83 to win $60.55, he needs to win 46.6% of the time to be BE so you should fold 53.4% of your bluff catchers in order to be unexploitable. Then it is up to you to see if 33 is in the top 46.6% of bluff catchers in your range here.

I'd call myself and expect to lose.


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