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Flush draws + Overcards in position as 3bettor BU vs CO; cbet gets called

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briccius
Joined: 26.06.2007

888 Poker - $0.10 NL (6 max) FAST - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 127.8 BB
Hero (SB): 100 BB
BB: 42.8 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
UTG: 154.5 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
MP: 107.8 BB
CO: 221.6 BB (VPIP: 23.53, PFR: 4.20, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 126)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J♥ 9♥

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.2 BB, Hero raises to 7.6 BB, fold, BTN calls 5.4 BB

Flop: (16.2 BB, 2 players) 5♠ 3♥ 5♥
Hero bets 8.1 BB, BTN calls 8.1 BB

Turn: (32.4 BB, 2 players) 6♣

Spoiler

Hero bets 16.2 BB, BTN calls 16.2 BB

River: (64.8 BB, 2 players) 3♣
Hero bets 68.1 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 68.1 BB

BTN shows 7♠ 6♥ (Two Pair, Sixes and Fives)
(Pre 34%, Flop 27%, Turn 68%)
Hero shows J♥ 9♥ (Two Pair, Fives and Threes)
(Pre 66%, Flop 73%, Turn 32%)
BTN wins 189.2 BB

Hero?

Preflop:

Is it better to just flat the open instead of 3betting with this hand except when you expect many squeezes from the blinds?

The next question here is when to shut down with the aggression post-flop.

Flop:

Flop c-bet should be ok.

Turn:

To me, villain´s range was pocket-pair heavy and I thought I could barrel turn to make him lay down some 77-99. That might be asking too much though!? Especially when only betting 1/2 pot.

5x is calling (or raising), flush draws are not folding which is not great for me since I am quite often dominated (Ahxh,KhQh). Higher overpairs are not folding anyway.

So, shutting down on the turn and taking a free card seems better to me now.

River:

As played I thought he might have raised 5x reasonably often by the turn and rarely has 3x, so I thought I could make him lay down a lot of his holdings. Unfortunately he did not comply...

Either he was representative of the breed of players you should never bluff or he just made a good read realizing I could not have much.

Is the river sheer spewing because I cannot represent much? I guess I could not shove this river with AA-KK for value? So my valuerange when I shove here is really only 55, 33, 66?


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

This hand is ok for a 3bet pre.
On the flop you probably don't have that much fold equity and since this was a bluff pre I think you could just check and call if you get the odds. But cbetting is not terrible here.
OTT I would just check call when villain didn't fold to a flop bet.
As played I can see AA,KK in your range and you could shove with them. Strong hands from villain could have raised at some point. No draws complete. Imo it is not a bad bluff shove, you don't have any showdown equity. This villain just happened to be one of those you should never bluff


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Mozzek
Joined: 16.07.2016

I don´t see problem with 3 betting PF. Cbet is also cool. OTT I would fire second barrel and see what the river brings. I´m not 3 barreling there if I don´t have some strong read. When I look at resulsts... well that´s why I need strong read to bet the river .


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I don't think barreling tun here is such a good idea considering it is a 3bet pot and villain called OTR. We probably have no fold equity. Any pocket pair and any draw will call again.


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Mandator
Joined: 02.02.2008

I like barreling OTT and x/f river if we don't hit . Also you can x/c if you have enough odds to do so or x/f OTT and b/f river depending what it brings if villian checks behind OTT.

What I don't really like is your jamming OTR because a whale like him can call with any overpair and in some cases even with A high and you don't have to much Fold Equity here.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

It is a 3bet pot and villain calls on this flop. We are probably behind at the moment and there is a good chance we are drawing dead also. I don't think we have any fold equity on the turn. And I can't understand why you would like barreling turn when I totally hate it

Also if we check turn and villain checks, betting river will be suicide if we don't improve since it just looks bluffy and any pair will call us.


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DirtyBasementKid
Joined: 12.08.2015

Did you have any stats on him before this hand started? Because if you didn't I would label him as a standard reg due to his sophisticated open raise on the button. I think most fishes don't give a damn, and they are raising 5x, minraises etc. Assuming that he is a whale while not having any stats I think is a mistake.

I think that the 3 barrel line is fine, because your opponent will fold a lot of pocket pairs and flush draws that he will fold on the river.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Valid 3b preflop.
I would xc turn and see what comes.


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