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SH KQs, BTN vs CO, 3Bet Pot

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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $17.97 (71.9 bb)
BB: $25.35 (101.4 bb)
UTG: $27.81 (111.2 bb)
MP: $37.87 (151.5 bb)
CO: $27.61 (110.4 bb)
Hero (BTN): $25 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q♣: K♣:
2 folds, CO raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $2.10, 2 folds, CO calls $1.35

Flop: ($4.55) 4♥: 5♦: J♠: (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $2.30, CO calls $2.30

Turn: ($9.15) 7♣: (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

River: ($9.15) Q♥: (2 players)
CO bets $4.50, Hero calls $4.50

Preflop: CO plays 20/7 in 15 hands. I mix 3bets and calls with this hand, but recently trying to 3bet more.

Flop: Are backdoor SD + overs good enough to cbet. I guess he could fold stuff like AK-AQ and some pocket pairs like TT-77 (at least by the turn/river).

Turn: I don't expect to have much fold equity on that card so decided to check back. Should I still cbet?

River: Hit my TP, but he decided to probe bet. Should I fold?


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Dadramel
Joined: 10.08.2014

Not much to do here, shoot twice or x/f unless improved


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Flop could be xb but I guess betting isn't bad. You should have decent fold equity.
Turn I wouldn't barrel again because you don't improve.
River is close. I think calling is not bad since you have to win only 25% and I think you might just get that. He can have some bluffs.


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tiltmonk
Joined: 02.07.2014

i don't think this kind of villain would probe bet you (20/7). I hope you understand he most of the time plays his hand. Let's suppose he would bet QX OTR. What kind of hand would call 3b OOP PF, X-X-Bet river?
I guess AJ would lead turn, as KJ.
So, he probably has QX (QJ,KQ,AQ,QQ)

4h5dJs7cQh
85.71% 71.43% 14.29% { QQ, AQs, KQs, QJs, AQo, KQo, QJo }
14.29% 0.00% 14.29% { KcQc }
I guess it is fold.


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VaskataBuci
Joined: 08.08.2011

Call preflop. Check back flop. As played call river, he could float with random hands and maybe even turning some hand like JT into bluff.


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

Originally posted by tiltmonk
i don't think this kind of villain would probe bet you (20/7).

Probe bet is a term used for any bet OOP vs missed cbet. So, for example, if we called preflop BB vs BTN and villain skips cbet on the flop, we can make a probe bet on the turn.


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Mozzek
Joined: 16.07.2016

I think this is ok. I see no mistake here. I don´t think we should c bet OTT. Call OTR is good option imo. It´s just 1/2 of the pot and we have top pair on dry board.


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oI2ange
Joined: 21.07.2015

Well played on all streets, don't think we can fold the river given the sizing.


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GeorgeAA2010
Joined: 28.04.2010

I will go BET flop BET turn, he can still have hands like 66 - TT which doesn't fold on flop and hands like AQ, AK.
so B B to fold them on the turn. As played I will call river because he can have some JTs QTs which you beat some bluffs maybe AJ time to time.

77, JJ, JQs, AQ beats you so for sure its a call for me.


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Tyrion88
Joined: 21.06.2007

What GeorgeAA2010 is saying sounds reasonable for me.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

No, you can't keep barreling with KQ high. It is a turn check even in FL. Don't try to win them all, try to maximize EV overall.


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msnek
Joined: 01.10.2008

OP: Are 3beting for value? Any stats on villain? How many hands? What is your default 3bet range in this spot PF?

I have KQs in calling range since I don't want villain to fold his worse kings and I want to dominate him postflop often enough. Of course, if he is a calling station or passive fish or w/e and he will call wide .. we can obv 3bet for value here. But against a solid TAG I think we are turning our hand into a bluff actually.


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

Originally posted by msnek
OP: Are 3beting for value? Any stats on villain? How many hands? What is your default 3bet range in this spot PF?

I have KQs in calling range since I don't want villain to fold his worse kings and I want to dominate him postflop often enough. Of course, if he is a calling station or passive fish or w/e and he will call wide .. we can obv 3bet for value here. But against a solid TAG I think we are turning our hand into a bluff actually.

I'm following w34z3l's ranges:

KQs is in a mixed range, which means that we can call and 3bet it. Recently I'm trying to 3bet it by default, as long as villain doesn't 4bet alot. I wouldn't call it a "value" 3bet, but also not a "bluff".

Other questions are answered in my opening post.


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