Turning busted draw into bluff on the river?

I think it looks fine. Villains line looks mostly like busted draw.

If villain has a draw too, our draw could be possible the best hand.
Also villain could induce a bluff, to let us bet a busted draw.
We could checkback better imo.

I don't think we can make him fold a lot here, I would go for the check behind too.

Originally posted by la55i
I think it looks fine. Villains line looks mostly like busted draw.

So bet river is OK? The other guys here vote for check behind river because we are ahead sometimes against weaker busted draws.

Yea checking behind actually might be better.

Raise flop with 2 overs and the backdoor. As played x behind river is better.

No disaster, but bluffing on a 8♣: river would be better. The 8♠: is harder to represent.

Isn´t better to just fold OTF? Unles villain cbets a lot. We have only backdoor draws... As yohan mentioned I believe we can bet if club comes, with spade checking back would be better imo.

I like floating here a lot. That flop didn't hit him very hard. Splashing around on the cheap streets IP with backdoor nut outs, fake outs :9x:, :club:, possibly more , is good poker. Even hitting a T looks good (an A should probably be checked back or perhaps folded if he bets turn big (domination)).

I like it. One question to all of you; can we bet smaller on the river?

Imo yes and no. If we are trying to fold out some pocket pairs too we should go bigger. But we already figured out that villains range is mostly flush draws and we already beat most of them. We also concluded that checking behind is better. So if you are going to bet and try to get weaker hands to fold, sure you can bet smaller. But I just don't see any reason to bet at all.

Yeah, imo betting smaller is the worst, the hands we want to make villain fold will have an easier call so we accomplish nothing. If we bet big I believe that it won't work well enough but it should work a little better at least anyway.
You have to think about what kind of hand does villain donk twice on that lame board and would give up on that lame river, and as far as I'm concerned I don't see much of them (except FD we dominate as said). If he doesn't have a FD then he probably has a pair, and a simple pair is happy to x/c a small bet here.

Raise flop wouldn't be OK to get hands like 6x to fold?

What if we hold T♣:A♣: for the nutflush draw? Would you raise flop now?

On the one hand, nutBDFD+ 2 OC is supposed to be a good bluffraise flop, but on the other hand I don't see a bluffraise making fold a bunch here, and certainly not 6x, OP and FD. Way better to flat imo.
If we hold T♣:A♣: it's supposed to be a call in a GTO split, which you don't need to follow if you don't want to but that's to say there are points in prefering calling that combo and raise other rather, even vs bad opponents it can make a difference.
Without talking about protecting your calling range and things like that, just notice that ATs has solid showdown value and enough equity to be called, but not really enough equity to be a value raise that strong against the calling range of villain, so it doesn't sound that clever to raise it flop.

Imo check back is better in this scenario; on that 8 you don't make fold hand you beat. Hand that fold here you beat already.

On a club OTR; bet would make more sense.