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AJ oop 3b pot bvb TPTK vs turn barrel

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SPeedFANat1c
Joined: 04.01.2009

iPoker - £0.20 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 63.35 BB
Hero (SB): 100.5 BB
BB: 123.4 BB
CO: 101.5 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♣ J♦

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BB raises to 8 BB, Hero calls 5 BB

Flop: (16 BB, 2 players) 2♥ J♠ 6♣
Hero checks, BB bets 10 BB, Hero calls 10 BB

Turn: (36 BB, 2 players) 7♦
Hero checks, BB bets 22 BB, Hero ?

36/28, 26h

on turn we need to be good 27.5 % of time.

I think he does not have value hands which are weaker, so all this 27.5 % has to be bluffs.

And with this sizing > 1/2 pot on dry board, looks like bluffs are too rare.

Tried to put him on range:

JJ+, 77-66, 22, 98s, 54s

on this one he bluffs 16% of time.

If we use like this:

JJ+, 98s, 54s

then its 25 % of time bluffs. But still not enough.


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Mozzek
Joined: 16.07.2016

Hmmm, I think as he is fish raising OTT sounds good. If it was normal opponent I would just call it, because reg wouldn´t continue with worse than two pairs imo.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I would just call. Or depending on villain, maybe fold. But I wouldn't start raising even vs fish.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Originally posted by SPeedFANat1c
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on turn we need to be good 27.5 % of time.
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I trust you math, but a vital part is missing. Some significant percentage of the times, he'll make a large river bet that will be very hard to call (if he can play). Rundown equity calculations aren't as useful as one thinks when more betting rounds are to come - especially so out of position.


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MyFloXyBabY
Joined: 15.02.2010

I think you underestimate villain here, usually in BvB 3bet pots you can't fold TPTK (moreover TP on a card not so scary) turn unless villain is really nitty.
(And if he is, why waiting turn to do so ?)
You have a strong holding against somebody who probably thinks he can bluff a lot and value a lot, for me it's a no brain call in fact. If he has QQ+ that's poker, but he can quite as well still have 88-TT or AQ+ or QJ-KJ for all we know yet.


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piR
Joined: 31.08.2008

If you think your hand is good against his range PF I would prefer 4bet in this spot.
AJo is not playing well OOP postflop IMO (especially in 3bet pot). This hand illustrate it well, you will only win small pot and lose big one (with hard spot postflop).


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SPeedFANat1c
Joined: 04.01.2009

Originally posted by Mozzek
Hmmm, I think as he is fish raising OTT sounds good. If it was normal opponent I would just call it, because reg wouldn´t continue with worse than two pairs imo.

he did not show sign that he is fish, for me he is reg :)

I trust you math, but a vital part is missing. Some significant percentage of the times, he'll make a large river bet that will be very hard to call (if he can play).

River will be mostly value, so easy fold.

I think you underestimate villain here, usually in BvB 3bet pots you can't fold TPTK (moreover TP on a card not so scary) turn unless villain is really nitty.
(And if he is, why waiting turn to do so ?)
You have a strong holding against somebody who probably thinks he can bluff a lot and value a lot, for me it's a no brain call in fact. If he has QQ+ that's poker, but he can quite as well still have 88-TT or AQ+ or QJ-KJ for all we know yet.

waiting turn, becasue of flop there is much more likely he is bluffing than on turn. Once he bets flop, he is stopping cause he does not believe I will fold my top pairs which I called on flop.

Why would he barrel 88-TT? I think those are worse hands to turn into a bluff on turn, plus those even win vs AK, AQ.

KJ, QJ. Hmm - he does not get value from worse hands, so I do not think he bets them often.

AQ+ - maybe its a posibility that he bets so. But I myself am not barreling on this board. Maybe I should.

This hand illustrate it well, you will only win small pot and lose big one (with hard spot postflop).

maybe do not loose big if not call the turns :)

I actually called turn in game.


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