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Early stage QQ all in / STT 9m 1,5 $

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brazyd
Joined: 04.12.2008

Is it ok to go broke with QQ here? I see people go all in pre flop with AT, KQ, QJ, smaller pairs etc all the time so I think I am ahead of that range. Or should I fold to avoid running into KK/AA in this early stage and not risk tournament life?

Poker Stars $1.32+$0.18 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds + t3 - 9 players
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CO: t984 M = 17.26
BTN: t1477 M = 25.91
Hero (SB): t1477 M = 25.91
BB: t1477 M = 25.91
UTG: t2270 M = 39.82
UTG+1: t1497 M = 26.26
UTG+2: t1324 M = 23.23
MP1: t1497 M = 26.26
MP2: t1497 M = 26.26

Pre Flop: (t57) Hero is SB with Q :diamond: Q :spade:
2 folds, UTG+2 calls t20, 1 fold, MP2 raises to t140, CO calls t140, 1 fold, Hero raises to t1474 all in, 2 folds, MP2 calls t1334, 1 fold

Flop: (t3155) 3 :heart: T :club: 8 :club: (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t3155) 2 :heart: (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t3155) A :heart: (2 players - 1 is all in)


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Folding QQ is way too weak in my opinion. You can also 3bet to like 400 and re-evaluate on further action based on reads and stats you have on the MP2 player. I think shoving is still too much with a 74bb stack.

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nutural
Joined: 21.09.2011

Originally posted by SDK1987
Folding QQ is way too weak in my opinion. You can also 3bet to like 400 and re-evaluate on further action based on reads and stats you have on the MP2 player. I think shoving is still too much with a 74bb stack.

Cheers,
SDK1987

this plus think what you are doing with a 3bet shove here to his calling range. Against a normal villain you are forcing him to call exclusively with his top top range so in the longrun you are losing value. If less skilled or maniac or tilted villain more chances to get value from postflop play. In short with this 3bet push you are giving a chance to the villains to make less mistakes and we don't want that.

Of course also, you should be aware of the villains habbits as also 7xraise is not that common.


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brazyd
Joined: 04.12.2008

Agreed that I would induce only calls from AA/KK here, that is what I would do. But as said I called because I see way weaker hands calling all in a lot, which seems to be easy chips. Earlier I shoved with AK in early stage and got 2 calls all in with A8o and KQo.


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Primrose6789
Joined: 01.07.2016

Against a normal villain you are forcing him to call exclusively with his top top range so in the longrun you are losing value. If less skilled or maniac or tilted villain more chances to get value from postflop play. In short with this 3bet push you are giving a chance to the villains to make less mistakes and we don't want that.

A better Villain will only call you with KK and AA, some worse Villains overplay AK and you have a coinflip which is not enough equity (you need about 56%). I would play QQ postflop because you can get more chips out of Villain. Better players immediately fold JJ, TT, AK, KQ, QJ, ATs and such stuff. Why not seeing the flop and decide then how to continue. You can bet 1/2 pot on a flop without overcards and if an ace and/or a king appears and you face a lot of action it´s an easy fold. If you flop a set and an ace appears on the board as well you may double up. At least at the early blind levels I would not force QQ all-in. There is no reason to risk your equity.

Here in this spot I would just call and see the flop.

I would play as you did at higher blind levels from 50/100.


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slippyjim
Joined: 07.10.2011

This is an awkward spot after he 7X's AND the CO calls as well, it seems nitty but I think I prefer just a call and keep the pot small.
If you 3bet to 400-450, unless there is an A OTF you're often c/c a bet which is gonna be around 450, so suddenly 1/2 your chips are in the middle and you still could be crushed by KK+

Did you have any reads on MP2 & CO?


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angalius
Joined: 10.11.2011

Call and see the flop or raise/fold. Pushing 74bb into 17bb pot is not the best play with QQ. Its so early in the tournament and without any reads its too aggresive.
But I agree that a lot of people shove bad hands early in the tournaments, but in this case without any information about the players I would be cautious. Its all about mid/high blind play in sngs. Let the weak players do their clown fiesta.
You risk your whole tournament equity for just a small increase in your equity, its the other remaining players who benefit from these hands early on.
P.S. maybe anyone knows how much tournament equity he and the other players gain if he wins this hand?


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