TT on 3bet pot

His line looks very suspicious with his click back 4 bet and it’s most likely his first 4bet as well. I understand it’s difficult to fold here, but I don’t think he will 4bet AK like this and then you are most likely only up against a range like QQ+ and maybe even tighter. The flop I would fold here for sure without hitting a set.

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SDK1987

First thing is that I would just call this pre flop. I would start 3betting from JJ+.
When you face a 4bet, I don't think calling is the best thing you can do. He will have a very strong range and you are often dominated postflop. It doesn't matter if it is a small 4 bet or not, it is still strong. I think I would fold there but maybe shove would be an option, you fold out his bluffs if he has any and maybe he calls with AK.

As played: OTF he should bet always under 1/2 pot because it is a 4bet pot and he will get all the chips in by the river anyway and the board is very dry. Folding OTF would be fine. Calling is still not absolutely terrible because if he is aggressive he could just cbet AK here even if he shouldn't.

Turn call is bad. You have 2 outs. You put yourself in a bad spot OTR.
You called flop and turn in a 4bet pot, absolutely nothing changes, you have to win around 20% to call river profitably, and you still have to fold.

I think the problem was that you didn't put your villain on a range early enough. It should be clear already OTF that he has JJ+ most often and only rarely AK or something else.

Question:
If you had called his 4bet with 72o, you would have bottom pair OTF. Would you have called flop and turn?

Indeed 3betting TT BU vs CO is overplayed against most opponents, better to simply flat.

As played, flop he can maybe still be having AK but at the very least turn it's clearly a fold vs overpairs only.

Thanks for your feedback guys. His small 4bet looked suspicious to me as well but it felt too tempting to call.
And well, a bottom pair is much easier to fold than an overpair, but I see your point I had a nice hand but compared to his range it was pretty worthless. All in all, I guess I played this hand like a fish calling villain's bets.
By the way could you reccomend any the articles, videos or books to help me improve playing 3bet pots? Those are the spots where I feel more at a loss.

Originally posted by ferdhy5
His small 4bet looked suspicious to me as well but it felt too tempting to call.

Nobody told you to fold preflop, it's just that you're basically calling to set mine and you must keep that in mind even on small flops.

Originally posted by ferdhy5
By the way could you reccomend any the articles, videos or books to help me improve playing 3bet pots? Those are the spots where I feel more at a loss.

Matthew Janda's serie on 3bet pots is available on Youtube. I'd say it's an obvious must see because nearly nobody read his (really must read though) book

Originally posted by ferdhy5
And well, a bottom pair is much easier to fold than an overpair, but I see your point I had a nice hand but compared to his range it was pretty worthless.

So calling TT was tempting but 72o would be easier to give up, right?
That is actually what I expected but it was a trick question really
With 72o you would actually have almost 3 times more equity than with TT. While TT has only 2 outs, 72o would have 5.

Call the 4bet for set-mine purposes

Question: How do we decide here to fold OTF? I feel like he could easily C-bet bluff once to take the pot down. With a hand like AK? How do we determine his range?

Originally posted by PatPoker5
Question: How do we decide here to fold OTF? I feel like he could easily C-bet bluff once to take the pot down. With a hand like AK? How do we determine his range?

It is a 4bet pot so villains range is JJ+,AK and maybe some weaker AXs as a bluff. It is NL2 so I would say 4bet bluffs are more rare.
So in that range AK is only a small part. He has 16 combos of AKs and AKo and 24 combos of better pocket pairs. When we take into consideration that AK still has some equity against us and might be able to make us fold on later streets even without hitting (because hero is capped when he only calls a 4bet) we simply can not call.

Also I don't think villain always has all of the AK hands in his cbetting range because cbetting would be just bad. When hero calls a 4bet his range is most likely JJ+ and AQs+. Those pocket pairs will call a cbet and many big AX with BDFD for example will call too. So what does he accomplish by cbetting this board with AK?

I think we can call OTF, villain can still have AK. When he cbets again OTT, fold.

IMO it is close preflop, I mean value 3 bet TT vs cutoff open cannot that bad. Average open on cut off is at least 25%, and he is going to fold like 4 times out of 5.
When he 4 bets we have to pay 6 to play for 30, calling here cannot be bad either.
OTF no way I am folding against that sizing, and OTT it is very small also so I understand you want to call too but yeah that should be a fold.

3betting TT is a bit on the loose side but maybe not terrible. I still wouldn't do it.
If CO is folding 4/5 he is folding way too much. He should roughly 4bet 1/2 and call another 1/5.
When he 4bets, the pot is 27 and we have to pay 6. We would need 18% equity. We hit a set roughly 12%, if we don't hit a set we are most of the times dead. We probably get enough implieds to justify calling that small 4bet.

Still we are calling the 4bet only to setmine. It doesn't matter much how big his cbet is. We are behind so often that there is no point in calling with only 2 outs.

Even if he cbets missed AK?

It has already been said but basically there are 16 AK combos with which he's a small dog to us and there are 24 JJ+ combos with which he's crushing us badly...

Ah yeah, that's right .. and multiple times sorry ! that's what happen when you don't read all the answers.

As I explained above, he has a lot more better pocket pairs than AK. And I wouldn't even include all possible AK in his cbetting range because cbetting AK isn't the best move in my opinion.
Even if he has AK he might force us to fold on later streets by continuing his bluff (hero is capped because just flats 4bet, he has AA, hero probably doesn't). And with AK he still has 26% equity against our pair.

I think "what if he cbets AK" isn't a valid argument. We have to think about his whole range.

I'm a bit tired and my math is often off, but let's try this one:
His range is JJ+,AKo,AKs.. That is 60% overpairs 40% AK. To make me happy, let's say his cbetting range has only 30% AK.
Those AK hands have a chance of 26% to hit by the river. That means hero is good only 22% of the times. And we need 25% to call.

That was very simple example. My calculations might be off. There are different ways hero could make money or lose more money after he calls OTT. So it might not be very accurate. But the point was that we still are quite screwed even if villain would cbet missed AK.

Many thanks for taking the time to explain very good and detailed explanation.