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how to play the draw on turn

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briccius
Joined: 26.06.2007

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 104 BB (VPIP: 34.38, PFR: 28.13, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 32)
Hero (SB): 135 BB
BB: 168 BB (VPIP: 17.65, PFR: 17.65, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
UTG: 119 BB (VPIP: 18.57, PFR: 14.49, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 70)
MP: 340 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
CO: 68 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T♥ Q♥

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 2.5 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (9 BB, 3 players) J♣ 9♦ A♥
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets 6 BB, Hero calls 6 BB, fold

Turn: (21 BB, 2 players) 6♥
Hero checks, UTG bets 16 BB,

Spoiler

Hero calls 16 BB

River: (53 BB, 2 players) 5♦
Hero checks, UTG bets 29.5 BB, fold

UTG wins 51 BB

Preflop: I think I should 3bet this?

Some people advocate only 3betting from SB, no calling. But if you DO have a calling range, would this hand still go in the 3betting range (or would that depend on the openraiser´s position- in that case vs utg)?

What do you think of playing this draw aggressively versus passively OTT? I think it is not advisable vs utg´s range.


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jimmy21492
Joined: 17.11.2010

PF: I would fold here, you're OOP and this hands play's well multiway and IP. But i think it's still considerd a calling hand on SB for many players
Post-flop. It's a good hand to play aggressive, but as you mentioned against utg's range i believe it's better to play passive.
Turn: We can call here, we don't need to get much more on the river to get our required odds. Especcialy considering he must have a made hand and our draw is not that obvious.


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Dadramel
Joined: 10.08.2014

Normally i would consider raising ott, on the other hand this guy has so many Ax that if no draw completes you won't be able to bluff him out.


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Ive given up calling most situations from the sb especially vs ep opens with easily dominated hands. Mostly folding here sometimes 3betting depending on the ep opener.

I wouldn't raise at any point , the board hits his range far more than yours, your range should be small-mid pp's and suited broadways 89s 9Ts type hands. That's the typical calling range here imo from most villains.

I guess you can rep AJ 99 JJ if your calling them here by a raise , but i doubt you get many folds from AQ AK and certainly not from better. Only thing you really fold out is KQ if hes barreling it here.

This is also why playing oop sucks so much , you cant even call and see his river action before deciding whether or not to bluff , you pretty much have to check everything hoping to check raise the flush and he can just check everything back on a heart. Its just super hard to extract any value with any line you take in these spots.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Vs CO or BTN you could 3bet this. Vs UTG it is a clear fold pre for me.
As played I would just call flop and turn.


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SuperChompa
Joined: 26.07.2016

Your 3 betting range also depends on who raised first in. If you want have a look at poker snowie pre-flop advisor it is free tool that has helped me a lot for establishing ranges. Also QTs is arguable for 3 bet because it has no good blockers.
Usually calling range from SB is middle pocket pairs [77-TT].


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SuperChompa
Joined: 26.07.2016

@la55i call turn is good? do we still have price?


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Originally posted by SuperChompa
@la55i call turn is good? do we still have price?

I believe so. We should have over 30% equity with our combodraw and villain bets less than pot. We should get direct odds to call.


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SuperChompa
Joined: 26.07.2016

oh yeah, you are right. I missed the outs for the straight in my calculation. If it was just flush draw, we would not be good tho.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Call turn.

For one thing, it is best to save bluffs for lesser draws. While you might have FE, FE is much bigger with, say, a naked NFD. So in the spirit of balance, call with this draw and bluff with others.

For another thing, this board hit villain. Three high cards and he keeps betting. Lots of combos can call.

Probably do not bluff busted river for the same reason.


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plopfessional
Joined: 21.09.2016

A call seems very good on the turn. I don't think it is a good spot to raise because villain seems pretty tight and he is repping AJ+,99,JJ,AA here.

What happens if hearts gets there without a board pair?
I think leading the river is a very good idea. It is very unlikely for him to have an fd. He should check JhXh on the flop and probably also 9hXh. So he only has KhQh and KhTh. Since it is so unlikely for him to have a flush on the river, he would have to call your lead pretty liberally.

If the Straight gets there it is pretty well disguised. I think in this case I would check/jam.


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Inv1ctus83
Joined: 06.10.2013

I don't like the call preflop, although I wouldn't mind it if the BB was some loose passive calling station. Otherwise I'd just fold preflop. As played calling the turn is the best option imo, I don't like the raise in that spot.


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