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QQ btn vs co - vs small raise xr OTT

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SuperChompa
Joined: 26.07.2016

PokerStars - €0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 100 BB
SB: 93.4 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
BB: 113.2 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
UTG: 208.9 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
MP: 101 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
CO: 105.8 BB (VPIP: 25.85, PFR: 21.95, 3Bet Preflop: 6.49, Hands: 210)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q♦ Q♥

fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 10.5 BB, fold, BB calls 9.5 BB, CO calls 7.5 BB

Flop: (32 BB, 3 players) 2♠ 7♥ 7♣
BB bets 1 BB, CO calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 20 BB, BB calls 19 BB, CO calls 19 BB

Turn: (92 BB, 3 players) 9♦
BB bets 1 BB, CO calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 30 BB, fold, CO raises to 75.3 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 39.5 BB and is all-in

River: (232 BB, 2 players) 3♣

Spoiler

CO shows 5♦ 7♦ (Three of a Kind, Sevens)
(Pre 20%, Flop 91%, Turn 95%)
Hero shows Q♦ Q♥ (Two Pair, Queens and Sevens)
(Pre 80%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)
CO wins 220.1 BB
Rake paid 11.9 BB

Can we find a fold OTT, raise is small and I fell I am already commited.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

This hand is crazy...

Do you have any specific reason to 3bet 3x+1.5bb vs a reg looking guy 100bb deep and in position?
Calling a 3bet, calling a limp OTF and then calling your raise looks super weird. I think that is something a 26/22 villain wouldn't normally do.
OTT you probably are committed, although now villains raise looks very weird and weird lines are often strong.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I think that if you are ready to play for stacks you can just push turn.
As played, I am not a fan of calling mw .


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briccius
Joined: 26.06.2007

If you want to pot control OTT, you can just call the 1 BB. You are either way ahead or way behind (and you are actually getting the odds to "boatmine"). If you do raise, you should think about whether you play for stacks BEFORE you make your raise. I think shoving might only isolate against better (occasionally you get calls from JJ or TT but maybe not from this villain), but if you raise small as you did, you could still fold, as outrageous as it may seem.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I think this is a common mistake - playing without a plan. Do not make a move if you do not have a plan how to react.


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strange they bet only one blind.


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SuperChompa
Joined: 26.07.2016

@la55i For 3 bet size, nothing special I just raised 1 pot.
On flop and turn I am value betting, I bet small to not bloat the pot, and keeping them ranges wide. When he raises the turn I have to call 35 in 205bb, and I am like ok this one is going to suck... but I cannot fold xD


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MisterSnS
Joined: 09.11.2011

That's really a funny hand haha. Gotta say that!

First of all, when you face some weird preflop lines like that, and play vs. a fish, there is the chance that he can have 7x.

OTF you don't need to bet really large, I think 20bb is already way too much. The flop is bone-dry and there's no big need for protection. I would maximally go 15bb, maybe even less. You get stacks in by the river anyways with that sizing and you give yourself the chance to get out of the hand, for example OTT.

As played this is a very tricky situation, but also not.

How many combos of JJ-TT are there for shoving the turn?
How many combos of 7x do you see?

Maybe JJ-TT don't even shove the turn just because your line looks so strong. And because people mostly just look at their own hand, I would find a fold here. The hard it sounds. Have a plan for the turn before you bet the flop.

cheers


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SuperChompa
Joined: 26.07.2016

Preflop bb overcalling, invites co with a lot of trash.
Yes cut off has sevens, but not that much either, 76s, 78s, 57s, 97s, T7s, 77 (11 combos). he can have 3 combos of 22 that crush me too. might as well call turn with (88-JJ) 24 combos.
When I bet the turn, I think many good broadways can have peeled the flop, and my hand still need protection.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by SuperChompa
@la55i For 3 bet size, nothing special I just raised 1 pot.
On flop and turn I am value betting, I bet small to not bloat the pot, and keeping them ranges wide. When he raises the turn I have to call 35 in 205bb, and I am like ok this one is going to suck... but I cannot fold xD
You can 3b smaller when IP.


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