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top two pair dry board baffled by villains turn raise

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seacat22
Joined: 10.08.2013

888 Poker - $0.10 NL (6 max) FAST - Holdem - 6 players
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Hi everybody lets see if anybody can make any sense of this
playing at 888 snap so no hud and not much time to think at table ,first hand with villain.
He opens utg and I call BB.His range is uncapped mine capped.
Flop comes it it looks as if its a way ahead ,way behind situation so I check call
Turn comes giving me top two pair I lead out because I want to get value and not give villain any free equity
then villain raises me pot size I am so confused by this that my time bank expires and I fold as usually a turn raise at these limits is the nuts.

what has baffled me is with what hands he would raise on a dry board? If he had nut hands like 33 jj kk he has full house a3s gives trips.
Kj gives him two pair but he should not play that from utg and the board and my hand block those cards
AA and ak he might over value
I felt calling would be worst option as I would not know were I was in the hand with few river cards to improve me
raising /jamming would just isolate me against better
that left folding
Any ideas?

BTN: 98.5 BB
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 9.09, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
Hero (BB): 112.5 BB
UTG: 222 BB
MP: 179.2 BB (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
CO: 125.3 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 40.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J♠ K♠

UTG raises to 2.8 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 1.8 BB

Flop: (6.1 BB, 2 players) 3♠ K♦ 3♥
Hero checks, UTG bets 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB

Turn: (14.1 BB, 2 players) J♣
Hero bets 7 BB, UTG raises to 20 BB, fold

UTG wins 26.5 BB


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Why did you lead the turn ? its a spot where i would milk turns and if he checks id bet the river. Once he 3bets the turn im thinking jj or kk , hes not doing it with AA or AK and hes got basically no bluffs , its not a spot you can bluff.

No matter how narrow i range , when someone reps something so strong i tend to believe them , people dont 3bet turns with bluffs/top pair generally.

I think the mistake is leading the turn , id check call down and bet river if he checks the turn .


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

If you lead on turn then why do you fold?


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I agree that leading is not the best option OTT. After you do lead it is close whether you can call or not. Of course villain has nut hands here but he could have something stupid as well. He might not know how to react vs your donk and he might just raise his AK.


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MisterSnS
Joined: 09.11.2011

I also agree but there gotta be said something as well.

If Villain has any sort of gutshot or oesd, he will barell the turn himself. If he has AK he will barrel the turn himself. You don't really need to donk and actually get more money by checking. Maybe he perceives you on a pocket pair and barrels random stuff as well.

There are some reasons for donking though. Let's say Villain is a rather scared, passive guy who sucks at valuebetting, then it may make sense, but vs. an unknown I'd probably always check and also check the river. I guess we will get the same amount of streets vs. what we would value-donk OTT


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seacat22
Joined: 10.08.2013

thanks for all the replies I will check call in future


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