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Trying to get a definitive answer reg calculating pot

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Mbowley
Joined: 03.12.2014

Hi I am not new to Poker but definitely am a newbie to a lot of the theories and principals here - hence I am trying to learn the basics.

Was just reading the Poker Strategy regarding a pot sized raise to give the Villain 2:1 pot odds on the call:

Https://www.pokerstrategy.com/strategy/various-poker/calculate-pot-size-raise/1/

Example 2:
You are heads up and out of position on the flop. You bet $12; $15 were already in the pot. Then your opponent minraises to $24.

Use the same formula to calculate a pot size bet for this situation:
3 * size of opponent's bet/raise + size of pot before your opponent's bet/raise was made:
$72 (3*$24)+ $15 = $87

After your raise the pot will be at $126 ($15+ $24 + $87) and your opponent must pay $63 ($87-$24) to call. Once again, you are giving him 2:1 pot odds.

Maybe I am nit picking but if I bet $12 into $15, does this not make the pot $27 and change the calculation of:
"3 * size of opponent's bet/raise + size of pot before your opponent's bet/raise was made"

The terminology is wrong in my opinion and slightly confusing. Should it state that the raise should be to $87 and the re-raise would be of $75 making it to $87?
Also the method says that you "+ size of pot before your opponent's bet/raise was made" which I believe is incorrect and should be beginning pot size on current street.

I welcome any constructive input to clarify this or correct me if I am mistaken.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

You are right, when calculating 3bet sizing the wording of the formula doesn't work. Instead of saying "size of pot before your opponent's bet/raise was made" it should say "initial pot size" in my opinion.

So if you replace that with the pot size before any action was taken, it should work?


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Mbowley
Joined: 03.12.2014

Thanks for you're input - I was maybe being a bit nitty asking the question but I feel as though it needed clarifying for myself. I think it seems to work as you say using the initial pot size.
I am just trying to get my head around all this new strategy here, it all seems like a great site thought with plenty of useful things that I've never even thought about!


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Yea there is a lot of study material :) When you start learning it is normal to get overwhelmed by all the new information. Just take it slow and ask questions here at the forum :f_thumbsup:


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Mbowley
Joined: 03.12.2014

There's more than enough material and I think that I am in the frame of mind to work through it, but I need to remember it's not a race and I need to master the basics first. And I most definitely will be using this forum as an aid to my study - better to get more than one opinion.


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