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AK river decision in 4b pot

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JCSeerup
Joined: 14.12.2010

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 45.7 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
SB: 135 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
BB: 176.8 BB (VPIP: 26.67, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 47)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
Hero (MP): 163.4 BB
CO: 101 BB (VPIP: 22.39, PFR: 14.93, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 69)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♠ K♣

fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, SB raises to 10 BB, fold, Hero raises to 23.5 BB, SB calls 13.5 BB

Flop: (48 BB, 2 players) 4♥ Q♠ 5♠
SB checks, Hero bets 20.5 BB, SB calls 20.5 BB

Turn: (89 BB, 2 players) Q♦
SB checks, Hero checks

River: (89 BB, 2 players) A♥
SB bets 91 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 91 BB

Spoiler

SB shows 7♥ Q♥ (Three of a Kind, Queens)
(Pre 37%, Flop 73%, Turn 100%)
Hero shows A♠ K♣ (Two Pair, Aces and Queens)
(Pre 63%, Flop 27%, Turn 0%)
SB wins 258.8 BB

Unsure if I should call the river, I just can't give him too many Qx given the pre-flop action.


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Dadramel
Joined: 10.08.2014

Very unfortunate flop tbh, having a backdoor to the flush it's ok to shoot a cbet.


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

Firstly, I don't think we should always 4bet AK in this situation, especially when we suspect that the opponent is not on the aggressive side. We can call and play in position with a very good hand. When he called a 4bet, I think Qx is a good part of his range (AQ, KQ, even QQ sometimes), but with backdoors and overcards, I think it's ok to stab OTF. Maybe size could be even smaller (1/3). The cbet might also be a value/protection bet, who knows. I also think that checking back is fine in this situation because we don't have alot of fold equity vs better hands and I'm not affraid of being bluffed on later streets (they won't bluff alot). We can go either way OTF imo. I agree with checking the turn back. When he shoved the river, my experience says it's a clear fold vs unknown. We will lose alot of money with a call with TP or worse on average. Yes, it's tempting to call and we will have the best hand from time to time, but we should look the big picture and fold. At least it's my opinion.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Alleen put it well. I agree with him. :)


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

As we do not have much FE on flop, I prefer to xb.
As played we can safely fold on river and move on.


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Mozzek
Joined: 16.07.2016

I also wouldn´t 4bet this preflop. As played I think we have fine check OTF. Calling the river is out of the question imo.


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oI2ange
Joined: 21.07.2015

I think the river is a fold as played. You block the As so that takes away alot of weaker value hands he could do this with (doubtful he value shoves AJss or whatever). Also, assuming the player can turn something like 77 into a bluff seems a bit much. At these limits, this is probably just a fold.


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fusionpk
Joined: 21.01.2010

4b isn't terrible I don't think. 135bb effective can't be all that bad. That said we are starting to get to the realms now where 4b isn't great. So if 4b is OK then what's better? Probably flat IP dominating his range makes a lot of sense.

When he flats he most likely has a bunch of suited crap, TT JJ (maybe QQ/AK) KQs (maybe KQo) AQo.

I bet flop probably 15/16bb as I would my entire range here. I don't think it's necessary to bet so big but we probably want to bet. I also chk behind this turn. River is so tough because we don't know much about his range PF. Fold/Call probably close in reality. But seeing as we can have Qx here aswell as AA and seeing as we have to assume villain is straight forward until otherwise I think we can probably find the fold. Assuming he is straight forward he checks underpairs, checks Ax that he called and bets Qx and a few suited things (problem is we don't know how many he has)

So yeah find a fold in this particular scenario. After seeing the result though I make a note and call here in future. (Calling 4b with Q7s pre means that he's gonna probably have more bluffs here than value hands)


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