QQ on low board 4B pot

you cannot call preflop to fold on this board.

if you are thinking that he 4bet only AA-KK fold preflop.
Otherwise call flop and turn, some players are lost with their AK and could cbet and shove turn.

Do you always 3b vs such tight players preflop?
As played you cannot fold an overpair on flop.

I'd maybe consider flatting this preflop. When he 4Bet you, I would be concerned he has KK+, because he 3Bets 4% of hands and his 4Bet range surely is even tighter. So I would even fold preflop if you get 4Bet. Given the action and flop, it now kinda depends on how much you have in your stack. If you have the starting 10 $, given that the pot OTF is 5.35 $, that makes an SPR smaller than 2 which should make you go into default stack off mode unless A or K comes OTF.

Originally posted by nitrol
Do you always 3b vs such tight players preflop?
As played you cannot fold an overpair on flop.

Yeah i think 3bet these nits is very dangerous, they either fold or 4bet you and put you in tough spot. So most if the time i flat their open.

I prefer calling QQ there preflop. If we get 4b there I think we can happily fold, because UTG 4B range is gonna be KK+ only.

Mozzek, so you think AKo and AKs will fold to your 3bet ?

Call preflop because if you 3bet you do it for value, never for bluff.

No, AK calls imo. But that´s all, if we 3B there we stand against AKs or KK+. I don´t see reason why should we do that?

AK can easily also 4bet/AI because he is oop

when you look at the percentages of winning for AKo, AKs, QQ+ vs your QQ (60%/40%) and the money that is already in the pot it is hard to fold QQ after a 4bet

Well, the problem is ppl don´t go broke there with AK, at least from my experience.

Call the flop at least. If the villain kept betting big on the turn and river, high probably you are beaten.

Originally posted by tschoa
AK can easily also 4bet/AI because he is oop

when you look at the percentages of winning for AKo, AKs, QQ+ vs your QQ (60%/40%) and the money that is already in the pot it is hard to fold QQ after a 4bet

We don't have an exactly huge sample size, but the guy 3Bets preflop only 4% of hands. How wide do you think his range is when he 4Bets preflop OOP to almost 3x the 3Bet raise? Furthermore, he is 14/11 (in a SH 6-max game!) over almost 200 hands. I would be absolutely shocked if he had AK here. When you remove all the combos of AK from his range, you are not doing so hot anymore. 3Betting (and flatting the 4Bet and then folding on this kind of board) are both mistakes IMO.

Originally posted by Titicamara
Call the flop at least. If the villain kept betting big on the turn and river, high probably you are beaten.

Just calculating the SPR which is well under 2 should indicate that this is possibly the least desirable play of them all and will only lose you money in the long run. Either flat the 4Bet pre, but unless the A or K comes OTF, you have to stack off with your overpair, because according to SPR, you are pretty much committed at this point. Or fold preflop (or don't 3Bet the nit preflop in the first place).

my point was that if we 3bet QQ then we do it because we think we can get it in preflop because we do not have enough information about the player and will assume he is a reg TAG that 4bet/AI with AK oop. But even if this is a TAG I would flat the QQ vs UTG.

So in the end: Call QQ vs UTG tag or nit, 3bet QQ only if we want to 3bet/5bet preflop.