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mathieuph299
mathieuph299
Joined: 09.12.2014
Posts: 58
06.05.2017, 16:23

PokerStars - $0.05 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 101.4 BB (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 30.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
CO: 153.2 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 30)
Hero (BTN): 118 BB
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 28)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 13.33, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 16)
UTG: 84.4 BB (VPIP: 11.27, PFR: 5.63, 3Bet Preflop: 4.17, Hands: 73)
UTG+1: 105.8 BB (VPIP: 20.20, PFR: 16.16, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 101)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 9♦ K♦

fold, UTG+1 raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 7 BB, fold, fold, UTG+1 raises to 20 BB, Hero calls 13 BB

Flop: (41.4 BB, 2 players) 8♦ K♥ A♦
UTG+1 bets 21 BB, Hero calls 21 BB

Turn: (83.4 BB, 2 players) K♣
UTG+1 bets 64.8 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 64.8 BB

River: (213 BB, 2 players) 8♥

UTG+1 shows Q♥ A♠ (Two Pair, Aces and Kings)
(Pre 60%, Flop 50%, Turn 5%)
Hero shows 9♦ K♦ (Full House, Kings full of Eights)
(Pre 41%, Flop 50%, Turn 95%)
Hero wins 204.2 BB

after i won this hand one guy wrote lucky fish
this i why i review this hand after my session first i 3bet this guy because his stats look a bit fishy and when i look at his AF i think that if he do not hits the F i can easily take the pot on the T he has and AF of 3 OTF and 1 OTT&OTR so this is telling me that this guy will cbet a ton of F and only continue OTT&OTF when he hits. for the PF 4bet i admit that this is nearly a bit under the BE% i tell myself that probably whit AA-KK he would have 4bet shove.OTF i think i could not fold to his cbet.first he cbet 100% of his flop and 2nd he gave me a pot odds of 25%.OTT he shove and gave me another pot odds i think i could not fold 30%.So what do you think about the hand? the only way that can made me think about a fish is the call of the 4bet but maybe see thing differently or thing that i do not see in my own review all of your comment will be welcome


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VaskataBuci
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Joined: 08.08.2011
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06.05.2017, 17:04

Too spewy preflop, just fold, you have other hands to 3bet, and vs. 4bet it is definitely fold.


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nitrol
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Joined: 24.07.2010
Posts: 11,244
06.05.2017, 17:16

I think you should very distinctly define if you 3b as a bluff or for value when preflop.
I think it is as a bluff, so you should fold vs the 4b...


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DocMuellfreak
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Joined: 02.11.2006
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06.05.2017, 18:54

Same opinion here. You Play fullring and your opponent Open Raises in EP. In My opinion this is a fold preflop. I don't even like the 3bet. Calling the 4bet is Even worse. I Inlay have 50.000 hands of experience Playing fullring, but I campt remember a Single Spot, where somebody played raise/4bet preflop without having a decent hand.


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nsavov
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Joined: 24.09.2010
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06.05.2017, 19:02

Originally posted by nitrol
I think you should very distinctly define if you 3b as a bluff or for value when preflop.

This.

Originally posted by nitrol
I think it is as a bluff

Also this.

Originally posted by VaskataBuci
Too spewy preflop, just fold, you have other hands to 3bet

Also this.

Originally posted by nitrol
so you should fold vs the 4b...

Not this.


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nitrol
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06.05.2017, 20:00

You mean he should call? Just because he is IP?


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mathieuph299
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Joined: 09.12.2014
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06.05.2017, 21:17

I 3bet as a semi bluff K9s I can get some outright profit and I still have good equity if I'm getting call.im not doing this against every player who OR from EP.im more use to 3bet these kind of hand against a MP or CO that open to wide and call 3bet too tight.but at first this guy can open 66+AK,AQ maybe KQ maybe all PP.this guy is really straight forward like I said with AA or KK he would probably shove.with a range of QQ,AK,AQ,KQ i agree with you that this should be a fold against 4bet because I'm almost BE with the pot odd he gave me.


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luchoprat
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Joined: 02.01.2016
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07.05.2017, 08:44

cant argue with the guy at your table


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SDK1987
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07.05.2017, 08:57

Pre-flop I would earlier call then 3bet as bluff against a TAG, but folding is indeed best. On a flop like this I would never fold anymore and I would most likely stack off with our monster draw.

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IkeAntkare
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Joined: 31.05.2016
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07.05.2017, 09:47

I think 3-bet with K9s is somewhat ok, but you should use bigger size for your 3-bet, and fold to 4-bet, too much of your stacks is in the pot, so you can not play a lot postflop.


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la55i
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08.05.2017, 07:50

I would fold this pre. I would also probably fold against the 4bet. Would be interesting to hear nsavov's reasoning why to call that but I guess it has something to do with our odds and that we have to defend correctly :)


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nsavov
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Joined: 24.09.2010
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08.05.2017, 10:05

Its pretty much BE. I also prefer folding but I agree with a call.


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