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[PLO2] KJJTss single raised pot OOP

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SuperChompa
Joined: 26.07.2016

PokerStars - $0.02 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 101.5 BB (VPIP: 22.64, PFR: 16.98, 3Bet Preflop: 2.38, Hands: 109)
SB: 551.5 BB (VPIP: 20.83, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 10.53, Hands: 49)
BB: 314.5 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 100.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
UTG: 102 BB (VPIP: 43.24, PFR: 10.81, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 38)
Hero (MP): 125.5 BB
CO: 116.5 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♦ J♥ T♣ J♣

fold, Hero raises to 3.5 BB, fold, BTN calls 3.5 BB, fold, BB calls 2.5 BB

Flop: (11 BB, 3 players) K♣ 8♦ J♠
BB checks, Hero bets 9 BB, BTN calls 9 BB, BB calls 9 BB

Turn: (38 BB, 3 players) 5♦
BB checks, Hero bets 32 BB, BTN calls 32 BB, fold

River: (102 BB, 2 players) 7♥
Hero bets 50 BB, BTN raises to 57 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 7 BB

Spoiler

BTN shows 9♣ 4♣ 7♦ T♦ (Straight, Jack High)
(Pre 33%, Flop 40%, Turn 50%)
Hero shows K♦ J♥ T♣ J♣ (Three of a Kind, Jacks)
(Pre 67%, Flop 60%, Turn 50%)
BTN wins 209 BB

OTT I am sure I have the best hand, because I block KKxx and if some of them has it he always raises flop.
I don't know how to play the river, it completes 9Txx str8 but QTxx is still missed so I bet half pot hoping he called with QTxx, and if he had T9xx good for him.
May be I think too much like in hold em and I should account him for having both and calling with wrap.
Do we ever check fold that river?


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Padelbro
Joined: 21.01.2010

I think check-calling is fine, or shoving as he may call with 2prs. T9 or unlikely backdoor straight only thing that got there, and you block T, so Im not keen on folding here. Too bad you block KJ too so not much 2prs, I guess I like checking best if he wants to bluff AKQT type of hands.

Makes no sense to bet 50bb otr and then call the rest 7bb. Just shove if you decide to bet.


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Tim64
Joined: 03.11.2008

Agreed. The only thing we shouldn't do otr is bet/c for 7bb more since he's never bluffing when he raises. Either value shove riv or x/c, based on your overall read of villain. I'd lead towards shoving because I can find many hands of his that have no sdv, otr so if we check we negative freeroll ourselves to a degree. You showed a lot of strength otf (multiway) and ott so he basically puts you on top or middle set. I doubt he expects you to fold them, so thinking about it, I like either x/f or shove.


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Padelbro
Joined: 21.01.2010

But if you think villain has many non sdv hands, shouldnt you check because only way he will win is with a bluff, and he will never call your shove? If you shove you've estimated that he has more showdown value hands or bluffcatchers, that are worse than your set.


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SuperChompa
Joined: 26.07.2016

Makes no sense to bet 50bb

Completely agree :)
When I bet that big on the turn I think I commit myself for the rest of the stack on the river. May be I should have bet a bit smaller turn so that I can find a fold on the river, because many cards will be bad for me.


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Tim64
Joined: 03.11.2008

Originally posted by SeagalSteven
But if you think villain has many non sdv hands, shouldnt you check because only way he will win is with a bluff, and he will never call your shove? If you shove you've estimated that he has more showdown value hands or bluffcatchers, that are worse than your set.

Agreed. But I think it's hard for villain to have no sdv on this particular river. Either he has a big draw which got there (he doesn't have bare QT ott vs pot bet) or his has strongish pair+ which can x/b.


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Tim64
Joined: 03.11.2008

Originally posted by SuperChompa

Makes no sense to bet 50bb

Completely agree :)
When I bet that big on the turn I think I commit myself for the rest of the stack on the river. May be I should have bet a bit smaller turn so that I can find a fold on the river, because many cards will be bad for me.

I don't think you should under protect your hand ott just because there will be bad rivers for you. If you bet, say, half pot ott, you see way more rivers so you'll end up giving up the pot way more often (if you x/f bad rivers). If we think villain is drawing here a lot then x/f bad river is ok, isn't it?


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

Pot turn and puke river.

Check-call on the river is fine. I don't think check-folding is an option, so we can use Basic River Model ( https://www.pokerstrategy.com/video/41302/) to check if bet or c-call is in place.


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SuperChompa
Joined: 26.07.2016

thanks guys :f_thumbsup:


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