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888Bingo888
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19.06.2017, 17:21

PokerStars - 15/30 Ante 4 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+1: 140.6 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 50.00, Hands: 2)
CO: 158.87 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
BTN: 170.23 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
Hero (SB): 162.7 BB
BB: 171.13 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
UTG: 166.53 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
UTG+1: 169.1 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 100.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
MP: 166.4 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)

8 players post ante of 0.13 BB, Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.57 BB) Hero has K♣ K♦

fold, fold, MP raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 8.23 BB, fold, MP raises to 166.27 BB and is all-in, Hero?wtf??

That must be a fold... But do we fold KK here? 175bb Deep...


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feye7
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19.06.2017, 19:02 +1

If we fold KK here we might as well quit.


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nickdega
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19.06.2017, 19:29

Originally posted by feye7
If we fold KK here we might as well quit.

I agree....♠_evil:♠_evil:♠_evil:


"Well the harder I practise, the luckier I get." Gary Player
However, when the cards are dealt, you are no longer a grandson, a friend, or a nice guy; you are a player.
I don't wanna be a whiner, I wanna be a winner

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Kinghu
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19.06.2017, 19:39

It likily that he has AA but I remember in haringtons book he argues that if you start folding KK in spots like this, when you think he has AA, you'll miss the times when he has AK,QQ and does the same when your ahead.I think that still holds true today, maybe more so as play is more aggressive.

Its a call and probable cooler for me.


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darkmarkobie
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19.06.2017, 20:41

Originally posted by Kinghu
It likily that he has AA but I remember in haringtons book he argues that if you start folding KK in spots like this, when you think he has AA, you'll miss the times when he has AK,QQ and does the same when your ahead.I think that still holds true today, maybe more so as play is more aggressive.

Its a call and probable cooler for me.

I dont think villain have aces i think he will 4bet non all in and call when you 5bet shove he will lose a lot of value when you fold and you only put 8bb.
It seems like he got tt jj qq ak aq but not much aces.
very deep i dont think he got aces and i will never fold kk there.


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sebralane
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19.06.2017, 20:47

grab a bucket and call.
nothing more, nothing less


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Jordyvde
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19.06.2017, 21:42

Snapcalling here, looks a lot like JJ QQ TT AK AQ, he is playing AA this way like 20% of the time but the other 80% of the time we are so far ahead.


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SDK1987
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20.06.2017, 06:51

I’m not sure why he would even shove AA for 160bb effective when he can easy make a 4bet to like 20bb and against an unknown this would be an easy call for me and if he has AA I would give him a note for that.

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RentzEst
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20.06.2017, 10:01

Never fold KK 8-)


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888Bingo888
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20.06.2017, 11:03 +1

What if we had QQ here? AKs? AKo.. What hands do we fold here?


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888Bingo888
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20.06.2017, 13:42

Of course I ended up Calling there... But I thought after the hand, That I maybe could find a better spot later... to not offer the whole 150bb+stack with a pair..


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visca
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20.06.2017, 23:27

Originally posted by 888Bingo888
What if we had QQ here? AKs? AKo.. What hands do we fold here?

Also curious, today I 3bet QQ sb vs bu, and villain 4bet shoves for 160BB in the third hand. Obv he loses a lot of value with AA,KK here, but on the other hand we are probably ahead of TT+, AQs.


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SDK1987
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21.06.2017, 07:15

QQ I would most likely call, but AK and AQ I wouldn’t risk so much chips with flipping most of the time or worse.


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