If you guys again complain about my bluffs I promise, I will show my graph :)

Hey,

I don't know if your graphs are great but I think this spot is totally EV negative. If it's a exploitative line that you are playing against a fit or fold villain you'll could be EV positive because either you or him will miss the flop 2/3 times and more than compensates your move.

Originally posted by pdfbq
As a site note, I hope this one will not be called a 'black tunnel bluff' bu YhoanN7.

So if it is by me, is it fine ? ♦

8% 3bet isn't "all kind of nothing" at all dude !
Fold flop.

1) 8% 3bet overall is totally fine
2) 8% 3bet BB vs BTN would be ok, could be even higher
3) this is not a 3bet, it is a squeeze, so range can be a bit different.

Your play might work because your villain is bad. On this board he shouldn't be cbetting much. You might be able to float here because if villain cbets too much crap here he will check fold the turn too often. But you have to remember that vs good players your line won't work.
Also keep in mind that while you think now that you are exploiting villain, some guys could exploit your low fold to flop cbet & high fold to turn cbet by doublebarreling crap.

I agree with guys above. As an exploitative play this might work but in general I like folding flop more.

Originally posted by pdfbq
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As a site note, I hope this one will not be called a 'black tunnel bluff' bu YhoanN7.
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Lol, no, this is not a "dark tunnel bluff" (three-barreling with air and no draw praying villain folds, gets scarier street by street). This is a more subtle bluff. But I'd still like to see a little more potential in the hand you chose to float with. Other than that, I like it. You don't call 3-bets preflop with this sort of hand to play fit or fold on the flop. You call to steal a fair amount of pots.

I blatantly disagree with that this wouldn't work against good players. It does because good players have the common sense to often fold when OOP, especially if stacks are deep. This doesn't mean that they are "weak", because they will do you over when you are out of position (if you have the good sense to fold a fair amount OOP). The bottom line is that equity is more than realizable IP, and vice versa OOP. Policing the game OOP simply doesn't work. You'd usually be successful in small pots and unsuccessful in the big ones.

Originally posted by YohanN7
Lol, no, this is not a "dark tunnel bluff" ...

Pfew...! ♦

And as promised my stats. I'm running too good probably but this is not a graph of a player spewing chips, I'm convinced about that.

The rather big downswing (7 buyins) at about 70K has strangely enough not so much to do with bluffing.
More even the opposite. As I remember I lost some big hands in a row to semi short stackers and then got scared.
Probably called to much against those guys though. Planning to make a post about that streak.

Thank you all guys really, It's fun to hear other thoughts and ideas!

why not move up?

vs. someone who's that agressive preflop, your play is pretty good. I think w34z3l once mentioned it, that the population generally cbets a lot in 3bet pots and gives up their bluffs a lot on the turn.

no comment about "fold pre" yet? so i have to do it

fold pre!

Probably no comments about fold pre because we don't have to fold pre?

Suited connector, absolute position, possibility that SB calls too when we call.. And the fact that we have slightly bigger stacks than 100bb really maybe doesn't change at all but could make it a liiiiiiiiiitle bit better?

Maybe this could be folded but I dont think it is "fold pre!" <<--- that bad.

what about folding AA's pre?

while the first post was just fun now some serious thoughts about the hand.

I think a fold pre would still be the best (most profitable) option vs the population. followed by 4b (if we really have a specific read like "villain 3bets to much".
When we have a specific read like "villain cbets 100% flop after 3betting pre and x/f 60+% on the turn when floated" heros line might do well. (he can do that with any2 on any board than)

general gameplain of hero
"I call with the intention on a good board to float one and then when villain checks bet the turn. That is my plan before calling the 3 bet."

good intention. float with equity. not sure if nothing into a gutshot is the kind of hand i would float with.
considering we give villain the said 8% 3bet (which is kinda normal) he has plenty of kings in his range.
More nutted kings than we have in our preceived range.

If we have some specific reads theres no sense to discuss this hand.

as played vs population this is lighting money on fire (especialy on NL2)

Problems I have general:
-We commit ~12% of our stack pre with Suited Connector (without giving villain a chance to fold pre)
-we do not end action pre

Here you can read about my thaughts on spot like that in general under topic 1.
I worte an huge ass article about exactly stuff like calling 3b with SC (only my own opinion tho)

Commit might be a bit wrong word. We risk 10bb to see the flop with suited connector and we have position postflop. Nothing bad there imo. And it doesn't matter if we don't close the action pre. SB just called in the first round so he probably doesn't go crazy. We already have decent implied odds and if SB calls those are even better.