NL 16 AQo 3way 3bet spot decision on the river

I think this is a math thing (and please correct my math if I'm wrong.. not too good at that).

pot: 10.70 + 5.11 + 5.11 + 23.22 + 18.11 + 18.11(your call) = 79.36
so 18.11/79.36 = ~23% of the time you have to be correct to be brake even (and the board is reasonably dry and I think a made straight would have bet somewhere already)

PS: I had about the same ..hand.. , smaller bet and only two players though.

First I saw hand, I thought they were both better than you, clear fold for me. But regs from NL16 love to play poker.:f_o:

I can't find a call here the button range looks quite valueheavy and cold call from the big blind as well. Button can sometimes slowplay his KJ, maybe AA,QQ,TT rarely AQ and BB can have 88,TT,AQ, sometimes ATs. So I don't need to use calculator, we will almost always behind. But you can write it down the note on your opponent.

i like raise with JJ thats good if BB fold maybe i fold too, but bb is station, becouse ATs cold call on the bb thats terrible start. Yeah i see in the Bu Kj,QQ,AA,88 and in the BB 88,TT,AQ,AK.

Originally posted by jimecek
i like raise with JJ thats good if BB fold maybe i fold too

I don't see any reason to play JJ this way. I would probably fold on the turn, because I think you won't call a bet on the turn with one player behind with hand worse than JJ. And on the river, if he wants bluff, I would more prefer shove, because he can represent KJ, sometimes slowplay sets and he will produce more fold equity.

Originally posted by MatoStar
So I don't need to use calculator...

A bit passive aggressive don't you think

can someone explain me 2NL noob why ..this.. is a SNAP call and the hand here is a fold?

Almost same 23%
because 1 player more in the game?

Becouse what u beat on the Bu raise ? Only bluf with KK, and JJ. BB could have all sets and only what u beat is nothing u can split to AQ. But my range on cold call is strong i could have TT,AQ, maybe QQ and 88 so what u would call on the raise from Bu i dont think Ats is good call by him.

Yeah but in the hand of the ..link.. the line was bet/call -> bet/call -> bet
That is also a super strong line.

I thought what can I beat too and I folded also.

But here is one more players in the hand. That makes things two times more scary I guess

In your spot u a not in 3bet spot. Is different ranges when defend BB and have a lots of worse 2 pairs.

Really like BTN's line in this hand.

Pre is standard on his side, flop aswell.
Turn he gets odds for a double gutter.
River: He's blocking KJ/J9 and you cap your range very hard by only calling the donk. (You probably would've raised either turn or river with a straight aswell).

The only thing is: he probably would've cbet his straights a good portion aswell with the coldcaller in the hand etc.

I would probably raise BB on the turn and take the initiative from there, that way BTN has a hard time playing back and you don't cap your range as hard.