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(FR) TT - Hitting a set OTR, in a connected board

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pguest
Joined: 01.04.2009

MP2 here is the BB in https://forums.pokerstrategy.com/forum/thread.php?threadid=443092
At the point where the hand was played, I still couldn't tell if he was a donkey, a calling station or anything in between.

Holdem - 9 players

CO: 70 BB (VPIP: 76.32, PFR: 10.53, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 38)
BTN: 169 BB (VPIP: 14.74, PFR: 11.27, 3Bet Preflop: 6.09, Hands: 350)
SB: 274 BB (VPIP: 11.45, PFR: 7.63, 3Bet Preflop: 2.78, Hands: 132)
BB: 103.5 BB (VPIP: 72.73, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
UTG: 111 BB (VPIP: 15.76, PFR: 9.17, 3Bet Preflop: 3.01, Hands: 1,207)
UTG+1: 54 BB (VPIP: 28.77, PFR: 3.86, 3Bet Preflop: 1.85, Hands: 291)
Hero (MP): 124 BB
MP+1: 87.5 BB (VPIP: 9.90, PFR: 4.70, 3Bet Preflop: 1.41, Hands: 406)
MP+2: 126 BB (VPIP: 24.07, PFR: 12.04, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 110)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T♦ T♥
Line:

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Standard raise, I think. Would've folded to a 3-bet, unless I had implicit odds to set mine.

fold, UTG+1 calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 6 BB, fold, MP+2 calls 6 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 5 BB, fold

Flop: (19.5 BB, 3 players) 9♦ J♥ 2♥
Thoughts:

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On this kind of spot, where, OTF, the BB would've donked any made hand and maybe strong draws as well and MP2 might've called PF with pocket pairs or AXs, I usually cbetted as pure bluff.
Now, I've been trying to avoid that and only cbetting against 2 opponents if I have position on both of them or as a semibluff, if my hand has decent chances to improve.

BB checks, Hero checks, MP+2 checks

Turn: (19.5 BB, 3 players) 6♦
BB checks, Hero bets 10.5 BB, MP+2 calls 10.5 BB, BB calls 10.5 BB

River: (51 BB, 3 players) T♣
Thoughts:

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At that time, because I weren' t IP and that T could complete some drawings hands, I was inclined to check/call even if MP betted and BB called.
But looking at the hand now, I think I should've played bet/call against a 3-bet MP + fold BB or I should' ve played bet/fold against a 3-bet MP + 4-bet (or call) BB.
I don't know if I'm being result oriented or if I was really nitty there and just lost tons of value...

BB checks, Hero checks, MP+2 checks

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BB shows J♣ A♣ (One Pair, Jacks)
(Pre 24%, Flop 69%, Turn 69%)
Hero shows T♦ T♥ (Three of a Kind, Tens)
(Pre 41%, Flop 16%, Turn 5%)
MP+2 mucks A♦ Q♦ (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 35%, Flop 15%, Turn 26%)
Hero wins 48 BB


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RubbyDubby
Joined: 15.02.2018

Hi

Totally agree not to c-bet with nothing into 2 opponents but... you do not have 'nothing' :)

If you bet the turn instead the flop here you're scared for a J (or JJQQKKAA) which I think is not good (and they still can have it, they can check those hands, I would).
And more important, you give away a free cart to two opponents All AKQ will shut you down totally, flush/straight draws can get there) so cbet the flop instead of the turn.

River: MAN!!!! At least put in a value bet!!!!! The'll let you know when you're beat!


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pguest
Joined: 01.04.2009

Originally posted by RubbyDubby
Totally agree not to c-bet with nothing into 2 opponents but... you do not have 'nothing' :)

Cbetting a middle pair on that board, OOP? I don't know... I think I wouldn't do it.
My BDFD is weak and I don't really can count on a BDSD in a 2-suited board.


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RubbyDubby
Joined: 15.02.2018

Now you c-bet the turn *after* you gave away a free card.
(and opp still can have a J, to me that play makes no sense, check the turn too if you checked the flop).


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pguest
Joined: 01.04.2009

I'm not saying that that bet, OTT, was the right play, but with a round in check and a blank OTT, my middle pair looks a bit stronger than OTF.

But I think I got what you're saying. Maybe, if I checked OTF, I should've played check/call in a blank OTT. Or the suggested alternative: cbet flop and check/fold turn.


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nutural
Joined: 21.09.2011

Against loose players I try to avoid giving away free cards unless I've hit a monster.

So I prefer a bet OTF and caution on turn if called .
Most important our line does not say a convincing story.
And also please bet river . If we are beat...that's life.


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