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Flop straight with a passive fish

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juhiimi
Joined: 03.03.2009

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $5 (100 bb)
Hero (BB): $5.19 (103.8 bb)
UTG: $5 (100 bb)
MP: $4.27 (85.4 bb) 45/36 AF:1,5 WTSD:46(13) Hands:42
CO: $5.26 (105.2 bb)
BTN: $10.29 (205.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q♥: J♦:
UTG folds, MP raises to $0.10, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.22) 8♣: T♣: 9♣: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.21, MP raises to $0.53, Hero raises to $1.50, MP raises to $4.17, Hero calls $2.67

Turn: ($8.56) 6♦: (2 players)
River: ($8.56) 7♠: (2 players)

Results:

Spoiler

$8.56 pot ($0.36 rake)
Final Board: 8♣: T♣: 9♣: 6♦: 7♠:
Hero showed Q♥: J♦: and lost (-$4.27 net)
MP showed 4♣: Q♣: and won $8.20 ($3.93 net)

Now that i look back at his stats i dont know if he would play this agressive with a worst hand that mine on this flop (altough the sample is small). But the large PFR suggests that he can have worst hands too(sets, fd + top pair, smaller straight).

What do you think?


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Tonyx86
Joined: 28.03.2018

3bet PF.

As played is tough to muck the nut straight. Unfortunately u dont have a club in ur hand (blocker, redraw).

But imo we have to get it in OTF. He have some worse hands in his range as well. Another club OTT would kill the action.

I've played a similar hand today. Same result.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

When really passive players suddenly get active, I get out of the hand.
Mind you, I am certain that I get bluffed out of a lot of pots this way.

Just out of curiosity, did you consider check-raising the flop?

If you do, he has to call you with the 3rd nut flush, and if he is passive, he might fold. (I peeked at the results)

All the best,
VS


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juhiimi
Joined: 03.03.2009

But if i check raise i kinda isolate the range for only the flushes, no? This way he could play this mb sometimes eith worst aswell.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Exactly -- you turn your hand into a bluff.
Not really a good idea, but by betting at all on that board, you are pretty much repping a flush.

Disclaimer: I am NOT a coach!;
When we bet, we want one of two things to happen:
:diamond:  We want worse hands to call
:diamond:  We want better hands to fold

I often add a third:
:diamond:  We want to get our equity right now, and not give villain a chance to out-draw us.

So, if those are the two (or three) reasons to bet, ask yourself:
:diamond:  Which worse hands will call
:diamond:  Which better hands will fold.

If you bet, I think you need to fold to the raise, since if he does have the flush, you have no outs to improve at all.

I would really like to hear what others have to say about this hand, since it is a spot that occurs a lot.

All the best,
VS


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juhiimi
Joined: 03.03.2009

Yes, it's hard to decide if he would play like this with worst hands. The stats suggest that no, but i can't trust them with this small sample size.
But mb he could do this with sets and A high fd-s too. And if you put theese into an equilab with already made flushes, i think we have the equity to go broke here.
But then again if he is super passive post flop, its probably - EV play.


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MrQNo
Joined: 30.09.2006

Can’t see a passive player here. Ok, stats are from 42 hands, and i regularly decline to take stats from a too small sample size. But after 42 hands, you have a tendency. And 45/36 is loose-aggressive. Playing so many hands and still having an AF of 1,5, that player is far from being passive. And against an overly aggressive player, i’m all-in otf faster than light. You will face worse straights, top set, top2 (raised for protection) and strong draws (raised as a bluff, but with equity if hand continues), and, of course, once in a while, a flush.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I do not mind the flop bet as there are worse hands calling. I do not like to play for stack though...


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