4BET OR FOLD?

mp nitty reg, btn isn't wide. seems like a good time to fold

Hi!

Tough spot imo. I don't wanna see MP push cos he is so nitty.
Call is out of question i quess cos it is not quaranteed we see a flop and if so we r oop vs 2 guys. Call and fold to push is waste of money so as callin AI vs 2 villain.

Tbh i think BU is not so tight (4%). Imo we have small sample to assume his range on that stat. I would make an assumption on his overall stat and he is on the looser side.

In this spot i would try to do some exploitive move. Trying to be tricky
Lets make a clickback or sg like 16-17bb 4b. The main goal is to push out MP and go broke vs BU.
This way we lose less when MP shoves. If both called pre we can assume we r ahead preflop.

I play nl25 too so dont take my suggestion as written rule i am just trying to find the best move. I dont really like the easiest way (preflop fold). But maybe thats the right way.

What do u think guys?! I d like to see some advanced answers!

PS: I hope everything is clear cos my english sucks. I am not native speaker

I would still play it standard and 4b (3x)/call. JJ might be closer but with qq we can go all in imo. As said, too small sample on btn to look at his positional 3b. On the other hand, u have huge sample on mp, so check his rfi to know his range. The problem I see with min4b is that once mp calls (AQs+, AKo, TT+) btn can call really wide and we often end up on the flop oop with mediocre hand. So i think it could be fine play vs opponents that overfol vs 4b, but vs decent regs its not good. Fold is way too nitty. Imo it can arguably be call if we assign villains really tight ranges. That being said, i still expect Mp to reshove AKs, QQ+, sometimes JJ. Just go through his showdonws in hem and make some reads, u got 12k hands, then u will know :).

@Mozzek:
I got u. 4b broke is the std line (wo reads) for me too. But i can imagine MP opens like 11-15% in that pos an capable flatting most of his AK, TT-QQ.
At this point we are just quessing

I agree BU can call all his holdings when MP calls and it sucks.
On the other hand BU can reshove with AK, TT+ given his stack size(maybe looser?!) maybe he do not believe us why we would 4b small w strong hand and MP wouldn t slowplay KK+, and at that point we r happy to go broke.

"But i can imagine MP opens like 11-15%"

That doesn´t have to be true, we don´t have stats to prove this. On the other hand, hero does.

Reshoving at TT doesn´t happen imo. I can imagine JJ, but not TT. I´d say any kind of c4b should be understand as strong till proven otherwise (at NL25), so I don´t think BTN should assign us weak range. I think MP can slowplay, at least AA there (and I would say he should do it).

Either 4bet/fold or fold.

4bet fold vs MP call vs bu

Will be close though even vs button

Originally posted by Mozzek
"But i can imagine MP opens like 11-15%"

That doesn´t have to be true, we don´t have stats to prove this. On the other hand, hero does.

sure, about the rfi i was just guessing cos his overall pfr is 14.

Originally posted by Mozzek
Reshoving at TT doesn´t happen imo. I can imagine JJ, but not TT. I´d say any kind of c4b should be understand as strong till proven otherwise (at NL25), so I don´t think BTN should assign us weak range. I think MP can slowplay, at least AA there (and I would say he should do it).

u can be rigth about reshove JJ+, AK and then we r happy to go broke ♠_thumbsup: (QQ+, AK also fine)
when we make a small 4b he can see more fold EQ so he can reshove lighter imo. not as scary than 28bb sized 4b.
i can imagine someone with 66bb stack can make some big mistakes, never underestimate someones bluffing freq whit shallow stackes.
i play nl25 and i see going broke with random holdings from guys who seems to be a reg according to his stats.

i agree MP should slowplay some AA. good point. but imo a nit is afraid of playing mw in 3b pot and he goes for the 4b 99% of the time.

4bet fold vs initial rise 4bet call vs 3beter 26/21 i dont see any other way to play this hand

I would 4bet/fold vs MP and 4bet/call vs BTN.