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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017


Villain is 18/0 (12 hands). Enough to see he is not good.
How do you play the turn?


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Fanko
Joined: 24.08.2010

I would strongly consider just calling the flop. As the flush draws complete on the turn I would just check behind and reevaluate on the river.


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AthleticAZ
Joined: 19.09.2009

I really like your flop raising size. I think that 4x is much better than 3x since board is very wet. It is very unlikely that Villain has us beat at this spot since AQ and JJ would likely 3bet preflop and has many draws in his range.

OTT is OK to check back to realize our equity. If Villain double x/r us OTT, we have probably ~20% equity and might have to fold a huge share of equity, which is bad. In general, my plan OTT would be to check back any flush card and bet any non-flush card.

@Fanko
What? I'd never call OTF. Why? We have a clear value raise.


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Fanko
Joined: 24.08.2010

@AthleticAZ

Should be more +EV than isolating ourselves vs straights and combodraws.


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MyFloXyBabY
Joined: 15.02.2010

Mandatory big raise on the flop indeed. He is rather capped (no sets, no AQ, only the Q9 straight and DP).
The turn should probably be checked back. It would then be possible to bluffcatch on a non doubling river, maybe, but as played it's lights out of course.


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MLima1984
Joined: 19.05.2015

I wouldnt have raised só high OTF, but aparently thats a good move from you.
OTT i think its ok to cbet,but maybe a check would be more safe, but also bluff inducing for the villain otr.
OTR yeap, good fold. The board got worst and worst, so just GFTO.

Btw zetozinho, are you by any chance portuguese or brazilian? Just curious about it


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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

Originally posted by MLima1984
Btw zetozinho, are you by any chance portuguese or brazilian? Just curious about it

Da oriental praia lusitana ahahha


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MLima1984
Joined: 19.05.2015

Por mares nunca antes navegados Haha!!!
Esperto, usas outro nick na stars! Não me leves muitas BBs sff! :P


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MyFloXyBabY
Joined: 15.02.2010

My god, it's an invasion. When is the carnaval planned for ? :P


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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

Originally posted by MLima1984
Por mares nunca antes navegados Haha!!!
Esperto, usas outro nick na stars! Não me leves muitas BBs sff! :P
Tas a jogar que limites? Zoom ou normal?

Originally posted by MyFloXyBabY
My god, it's an invasion. When is the carnaval planned for ? :P
This year is in march floxy, come and join us


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MLima1984
Joined: 19.05.2015

Originally posted by zetozinho

Originally posted by MLima1984
Por mares nunca antes navegados Haha!!!
Esperto, usas outro nick na stars! Não me leves muitas BBs sff! :P
Tas a jogar que limites? Zoom ou normal?

Originally posted by MyFloXyBabY
My god, it's an invasion. When is the carnaval planned for ? :P
This year is in march floxy, come and join us

Jogo nl2 e nl5 sobretudo, às vezes 10...quando lá há jogadores sem ser os regs.
Não gosto muito de zoom. E tu?

We are just exchanging codfish recipies, myfloxybaby!


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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

Tenho andando mais no zoom, tmb nesses limites. NL10 ainda nao.


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MLima1984
Joined: 19.05.2015

Então não nos atravessamos no caminho um do outro
Boa pescaria para ti.


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MyFloXyBabY
Joined: 15.02.2010

I don't have anything against gay people but come on guys, there are hostels for that !
Ok, ok, I'm just jealous... :sifflote:


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MLima1984
Joined: 19.05.2015

Haha u won, floxy!
Zetozinho is just happy that i dont play zoom, that way he can keep his stack safe


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MyFloXyBabY
Joined: 15.02.2010

Be careful not to do that again or I'm gonna come at his zoom stake to punish him ! ;)
I mean, if my downswing of death keeps up, I'm gonna end up there anyway...


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MLima1984
Joined: 19.05.2015

Originally posted by MyFloXyBabYI mean, if my downswing of death keeps up, I'm gonna end up there anyway...

Uuuh those ONLY happen to fishy players... Haha!
I had one awfull downswing this year aswell. Around 40k hands getting coolers, sock outs and tilting.

Be patient and it will go away. May the flop be with you.


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OrigamiPoker
Joined: 27.10.2018

Originally posted by MyFloXyBabY
Mandatory big raise on the flop indeed. He is rather capped (no sets, no AQ, only the Q9 straight and DP).
The turn should probably be checked back. It would then be possible to bluffcatch on a non doubling river, maybe, but as played it's lights out of course.

Do you say villain is capped with the donk bet or when they call the raise ?. I mean villain never has AQ Q9 when they just call the raise. But are you saying they never have it with the donk bet ? we can probably exclude JJ KK and I think AQ also 3bets a decent chunk of the time. I usually find these donk bets are pretty weak 1 pair hands or draws. Even a bare Qx with the queen of clubs is more likely to check raise than donk bet.


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MyFloXyBabY
Joined: 15.02.2010

I meant preflop, they should 3bet TT+ AQ BB vs BU, even them understand that (usually). And if they are passive enough not to 3bet those, well then they probably are passive enough not to donk those either lol.

Be careful about donkbets though, they aren't anymore the ridiculously face up weakness they were 10 years ago !
It depends on the sizing and the texture, but on a wet texture a big donk can be a sign of strenght (DP, sets,), moreover multiway, even regs donk their sets multiway nowadays on flops they don't expect you to cbet enough.


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