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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017


vs CO I think we can defend this.
Decided to check-raise this. I know it it a board that favors both of our ranges, but I think I can have 86's in my check-raise range here right?
Decided to barrel the Q again OTT. If we can make a J or a T fold here is profitable? Not sure about the size.
Give up OTR after 2 calls on a awful card.
Ideas?


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headshot2009
Joined: 01.08.2009

I think this is not the best candidate for a check-raise and keep an aggression OTT. There are so many hands he will not fold to 2 barrels, and your hand's equity is so complicated, I mean you have reverse implied odds in this spot.

I would have check call OTF and would give up that turn.


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MyFloXyBabY
Joined: 15.02.2010

Tricky flop. It's tempting to x/r this combo (although bigger) but villain can bet/call a lot and make our life hard.
And we already have women for that don't we ?

Not the best turn to keep on. Actually might be one of the worse. I'd either give up here or 3ba and pray for the glorious bluffing gods. Amen.


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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

Should I shove OTR after betting the turn? Would be insane but maybe could be a tremendous play.
Why not the best turn to keep betting? It's a card for my check-raise OTF.


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MyFloXyBabY
Joined: 15.02.2010

I don't know about "tremendous" lol but your turn size being quite low on such a wet connected board that should cap his turn calling range quite much so in this regard the T is a good news.
No fulls for him and probably no straights either. Booh ! Someone hasn't been a good boy this year. :P

It's not supposed to be a card for your x/r. You'd prefer any 5,9, spades and that's pretty much it. That's why the x/r is both tempting and meh in the end.
The Q hits his range quite a lot in fact. He can have all QQ, KQ, QJ, QT, AcKc, maybe even Qc9c, Qc8c, AcQc, AsQs, etc.
And what doesn't hit a Q in his flop bet/calling range shouldn't be too bothered by it. You don't have AK, QQ, and 89 was already ahead, so if he has JJ-JT etc he won't frown that much.


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headshot2009
Joined: 01.08.2009

Originally posted by zetozinho
Why not the best turn to keep betting? It's a card for my check-raise OTF.

Why it is a card for your check-raise OTF?
Deos it improve your hand? No..
Does it hit co open range? Yes.. I mean all the board is perfect for CO range. He is not folding any Kx, AQ, AJ any two pairs any sets... Bad players are not even folding any one pair plus gutshot hand. I gues its around >80% of his range not gonna fold here.

2 barreling make sense only when you have FE and some equity for your hand. In this case I can't find enough of both of them.


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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

Might as well just get the hell out the way when this guys show something. Basically, you cbet they call just give up :mdr:


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