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FD vs raise on the turn in 3 bet pot

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AnDoRPoKe
Joined: 05.08.2009

Hello !
Got a little doubt about my play in NL2 :

$0.01/$0.02 No Limit Holdem
6 Players

Stacks:
UTG ($100BB) 100bb
UTG+1 ($290BB) 290bb - 25/23 on 53h
CO ($183BB) 183bb
BTN Hero ($111BB) 111bb
SB ($103.5BB) 104bb
BB ($201BB) 201bb

Pre-Flop: (1.5BB, 6 players) Hero is BTN 9♦: A♦:
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to 3BB, 1 fold, Hero raises to 10.5BB, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls 7.5BB
Flop: 4♥: 2♦: 8♦: ($22.5BB, 2 players)

UTG+1 checks, Hero bets 14BB, UTG+1 calls 14BB

Turn: T♠: ($50.5BB, 2)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets 29BB, UTG+1 raises to 103.5BB

Préflop : I 3bet bluff coz I got position, a blocking A and a hand than can do some things in case I get called.

Flop : Classic Cbet I think.

Turn : this is where I'm doubting : should I bet the turn ? I got position so I could've check behind to have a free river but on another hand, I still have FE on some combos if I bet again (55-77, 87s, maybe some AQ, AK).
What would you do there ?

Assuming I've bet the turn, what would you do on that raise ? HM2 provide a 26% equity to call but don't think I get them as he almost always have set here I think.


Tableau : 4♥2♦8♦ T♠
       Equity  Victoire  Égalité
MP2    21.69%    21.69%    0.00% { Ad9d }
MP3    78.31%    78.31%    0.00% { TT+, 88, 44, 22, T8s }

Tanks for your advice ! :f_drink:


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filip212
Joined: 30.05.2010

Im not sure about your playing style but i beated NL2 in 10K hands with 32BB/100 adjusted and i think on flop you should cbet less peoples are overfolding and you will earn more money on red with lower sizing. i think 1/2 or 40% is enough.
On turn you should double barell this but again lower sizing is better. 1/2 or 40% is enough.
As played on turn you are commited and you must calldown...
I think you are giving a much respect to people on this stakes. Trust me they dont have only sets here. They have many equity/no equity bluffs there. In long term on NL2 for me as played call.


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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

The 3bet pre is fine I think. I have A9's in my 3bet BTN range, but not too often.
Yup 1/3 OTF is enough.
I like to check-back OTT. You have position and can see a free card. Take that opportunity. Besides, you control the size of the pot with your "nothing yet" hand.
You're getting 2.5-1odds (50.5+29+103.5)/(103.5-29) and the draw (9 + 3 aces) gives you 24% equity roughly. It's about break-even the call, taking into account that an ace would give you the best hand.


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Fanko
Joined: 24.08.2010

Smaller cbet on the flop and check behind turn for me. After he calls you on the flop I do not expect him to ever fold that turn.


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MyFloXyBabY
Joined: 15.02.2010

Yeah probably Fanko.

filip212 I wonder where you are playing your crazy NL2 but keep playing it it's worth it
I'd be surprised that for the standard NL2 field players would often x/c x/shove with no equity bluffs though...


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headshot2009
Joined: 01.08.2009

NL2 its not necessary to 3bet pre I think, unless you have a strong hand. People will do so many BIG mistakes postflop, just hit your hand and play for all stack in 3 streets (use overbets or shoves with monsters often, it does work) , people dont like folding here, your FE is always much lower than you think. NL2 is easy to beat without thinking about FE at all.


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MyFloXyBabY
Joined: 15.02.2010

Sure but 3betting isn't all about (preflop) FE you know. It's exactly because they are bad postflop that we want to play 3bet pots IP against them.
Anyway even at NL2 you have to think about FE. They want to play so many hands that they have to fold a lot of those somewhere on the way to the river.
And as Lemon showed with his population analysis coaching serie, it's at NL2 that the field is folding the most on the river for example !
There is a biais in seeing them make a bad call with, say, second pair on the river, that makes you think they don't fold anything because it would be YOUR bottom range or nearly, whereas for them it's already quite high in their stupidly wide ranges lol, they are already folding third pair or worse.


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AnDoRPoKe
Joined: 05.08.2009