$0.55, A8s with multiple limpers in front, flush draw

Yuris125

Joined: 16.03.2009

10.01.2019, 23:22 0

PokerStars, $0.49 + $0.06 - Hold'em No Limit - 500/1,000 (75 ante) - 8 players

UTG: 60,155 (60 bb)
UTG+1: 11,454 (11 bb)
MP: 18,703 (19 bb)
MP+1: 55,468 (55 bb)
CO (Hero): 28,846 (29 bb)
BU: 46,690 (47 bb)
SB: 18,218 (18 bb)
BB: 23,718 (24 bb)

Pre-Flop: (2,100) Hero is CO with 8♣ A♣
UTG calls 1,000, 1 fold, MP calls 1,000, MP+1 calls 1,000, Hero calls 1,000, 1 fold, SB calls 500, BB checks

Flop: (6,600) 5♣ 7♣ Q♦ (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets 3,300, MP raises to 6,600, MP+1 folds, Hero ????

Spoiler

Hero raises to 27,771 (all-in), 2 players fold, UTG calls 24,471, MP calls 11,028 (all-in)

Turn: (79,770) 5♦ (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: (79,770) Q♠ (3 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: 79,770

Showdown:
CO (Hero) shows 8♣ A♣ (two pair, Queens and Fives)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 29%, Flop: 41%, Turn: 21%, River: 0%)

MP shows K♠ K♥ (two pair, Kings and Queens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 59%, Flop: 43%, Turn: 74%, River: 0%)

UTG shows 9♣ Q♣ (a full house, Queens full of Fives)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 12%, Flop: 16%, Turn: 5%, River: 100%)

UTG wins 79,770

Hi,

Preflop - in the big $0.55 I prefer to overlimp these hands, because original limpers tend to never fold preflop, and if I'm going to see the flop multiway, I want to do it as cheaply as possible, and keep the pot small when I'm entering it with a weak A. Is this reasonable? Would you raise? Would you fold?!? I'm too deep to shove pre, but maybe it wouldn't be unreasonable with 3 limpers?

(obviously if I was first in, I would open raise)

Flop: don't like the action in front, but with a strong draw and a chance my A is good, don't think I can fold. My expectation is that if I shove, I can get pairs other than Q to fold, and against most Qs I would be flipping. What would you do?

In the money, no notable ladders in sight, ICM not an issue

Thanks!

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maniac

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Joined: 29.03.2006

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11.01.2019, 00:10 0

If you dont want to shove it in pre due to spr its an easy fold OTF due to this action.

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ghaleon

Joined: 17.10.2007

Posts: 11,325

11.01.2019, 04:56 0

MP and MP+1 rarely have calling hand versus shove so with 5k out there shove is reasonable imo. Especially if UTG is limping lot. But limping definitely fine also.

On flop I am thinking between call or shove. Problem of shoving is that you don't usually have much of fold equity when MP raises in 6way (lol) pot. So basically calling likely offer bit better EV in general as your draw does benefit from keeping other players in pot and thus improving your implied odds and pot odds.

Actually just noticed that MP1 only has 11k behind so calling turn is then clearly best because we can call his turn shove slightly profitably.

But yeah without ICM concerns we have often +EV stack off here when it gets multiway. E.g. two of our outs are removed here and we still have 41% equity. Sets in villains ranges does decrease it bit but probably not too much.

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