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Call shove on Turn 2

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Onyourkneesboy
Joined: 08.02.2019

This is a hand of 2NL zoom from my latest session.
What do you people think about the call?

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 120 BB (VPIP: 42.86, PFR: 42.86, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
Hero (SB): 236.5 BB
BB: 123 BB (VPIP: 17.39, PFR: 17.39, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)
UTG: 49 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 100.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
MP: 99.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
CO: 286 BB (VPIP: 27.59, PFR: 24.14, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 31)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♠ A♦

UTG raises to 3 BB, MP calls 3 BB, fold, BTN raises to 12 BB, Hero calls 11.5 BB, fold, fold, MP calls 9 BB

Flop: (40 BB, 3 players) A♠ 7♠ 8♠
Hero checks, MP checks, BTN checks

Turn: (40 BB, 3 players) 7♥
Hero bets 30 BB, MP raises to 87.5 BB and is all-in, fold, Hero calls 57.5 BB

River: (215 BB, 2 players) 6♥

My thougts: I had top pair, the draw to the nut flush

My villain range was: He could be over playing the A and valuing his flushes, which I had the draw for the nut.

Spoiler

Hero shows K♠ A♦ (Two Pair, Aces and Sevens)
(Pre 69%, Flop 45%, Turn 30%)
MP shows 8♥ A♥ (Two Pair, Aces and Eights)
(Pre 31%, Flop 55%, Turn 70%)
MP wins 207.5 BB
Rake paid 7.5 BB


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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

That preflop spot... UTG opens, MP flats and BTN 3bets to 4x and then you have AK on the SB...
Cold calling is very very weird. I believe I would cold 4bet. If he 5bet shoves, well I'd fold I guess. We block the nuts and we can probably have some fold equity if he's 3betting light against UTG+MP (which he should be doing from time to time).
Some people may find a fold already and avoid a weird spot and probably there's nothing wrong with that at NL2.
As played I think I would check/shove turn. I believe it polarizes better than donk/calling.
He showed up with A8s... that's why we can't figure out what these guys are doing at the micros.
Flats A8s vs UTG pre, flats a big 3bet OOP with probably one of the worse hands he can be calling with.


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semiramiRNMD
Joined: 25.10.2009

Yeah cold calling 3 bets is really bad with any hand from any position. Just don't do it. Fold is absolutely fine, the other option is 4-bet/fold. Postflop is OK I think.


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IPtkv
Joined: 30.08.2011
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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

IPtkv you're right, I didn't take into account it is 100bb effective. BTN 3bet range vs UTG is theoretically very tight (mostly AK, AA/KK and weaker stuff, like KQo, A5s). So I believe we have a decent fold equity with our blockers.


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KatalonacX
Joined: 22.11.2013

Preflop AKo we can cold call 3bet profitably at NL2,imo.
OTF you hit flop, donk will be normal and stack of with squeezer and also with MP.
OTT bet smaller to call you with PP with :spade:, when MP go all-in on pair board it's fold, he looks like JJ-88, I guess he won't do that with worse AxQ:spade:.


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venatici
Joined: 15.03.2010

Originally posted by KatalonacX
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OTT bet smaller to call you with PP with :spade:, when MP go all-in on pair board it's fold, he looks like JJ-88, I guess he won't do that with worse AxQ:spade:.

I am not sure if I misunderstood, you want Hero to bet/fold turn vs JJ-88? With equilty like below?

Board: A♠7♠8♠ 7♥
       Equity     Win     Tie
MP2    72.73%  72.73%   0.00% { AdKs }
MP3    27.27%  27.27%   0.00% { 88, JdJs, JhJs, JsJc, TdTs, ThTs, TsTc, 9d9s, 9h9s, 9s9c }


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semiramiRNMD
Joined: 25.10.2009

Originally posted by IPtkv

I am not sure why would u advocate 4b/fold AK in that spot. Once you do 4bet you can not fold anymore with that stack sizes. I guess you will play QQ and JJ the same way which is basically almost the same thing.

BTN will 5-bet right? We have 120 effective. If we 4-b to 30 we have to call 90 to win 247, so we need 36% to win. Vs QQ+ we have under 30% and that's the most optimistic range he can have. Most of the time he will show AA and vs AA we have almost no equity. I don't know what limit you do play, but I play exactly this 2NL zoom and I can tell you that you'll see aces after 5-bet in this situation 60-70% of the time. I know it's different story at higher limists and none of this apply, but we are talking for 2NL zoom here. I prefer to fold this hand pre, but if I do 4-bet I will deffinitely fold to 5-bet. QQ and JJ are the same thing fold or 4-b fold.


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Adelardo
Joined: 19.03.2008

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