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KQs call reraise on Flop and fold on Turn. Were the calls on the Flop the right move?

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ISavantI
Joined: 07.12.2013

I wonder if I played correct in both situations:

Situation 1:
PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players

BTN: 373 BB
SB: 116.4 BB
BB: 31.2 BB
UTG: 8.2 BB
Hero (MP): 116.2 BB
CO: 96.2 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K♠ Q♠

fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, CO calls 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (10.4 BB, 3 players) 4♠ 2♥ J♠
Hero bets 6 BB, fold, BTN raises to 19 BB, Hero calls 13 BB

Turn: (48.4 BB, 2 players) 9♥
Hero checks, BTN bets 46.4 BB, fold

BTN wins 46.4 BB

Situation 2:

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players

Hero (BTN): 103.8 BB
SB: 104.2 BB
BB: 121.2 BB
UTG: 133.8 BB
MP: 105.8 BB
CO: 207 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K♣ Q♣

fold, fold, CO raises to 2.4 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, BB calls 8 BB, fold

Flop: (20.8 BB, 2 players) 3♣ 7♦ 5♣
BB checks, Hero bets 11.6 BB, BB raises to 23.2 BB, Hero calls 11.6 BB

Turn: (67.2 BB, 2 players) T♠
BB bets 89 BB and is all-in, fold

BB wins 64.4 BB


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

It's interesting to know what your own though process was during both hands.
Overall I would play the hand the same with the flush draw. I don't think a 3bet shove on both flops will work enough to make it profitable.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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DecMate
Joined: 25.01.2009

First hand:
Would probably fold. We do pick up the gutter and our 2 overs could be good, but I think we're more then likely crushed here and could even be drawing next to dead vs the nut FD. If he bets any smaller then we could call.

Second I'd play the same.


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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

3bet bluffing flops, which you should be doing and much more often than people think, is a fancy play at the regular levels (anything below NL200). People don't bluff-raise not even 1/10 of what they should, it is ultra-value heavy and you have literally 0 fold equity. Zero.
Just flat and hope you hit. It's a min raise (2nd hand) and you also have two overs in case (extremely rare) is bluffing with a weaker flush-draw. It could also the the nut-flushdraw with the A and in that case you have massive reverse implied odds.
Having position (which is very valuable, as you know) means basically nothing in this situations because they won't check the turn when the flop has been raised.

First hand I agree with DecMate. You can absolutely fold here, despite being a very bad fold.


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semiramiRNMD
Joined: 25.10.2009

First hand is a clear fold for me. Not having the NFD sucks. He either has a srtong made hand likely set, or this is a semi bluff and he has a FD and because K, Q and J are not in his hand and he called from the BTN, he can only have the NFD. You can not just take into account the pot odds, you must also take into account the reversed odds. If you want to draw in big pots you should always draw to the nuts, here you have just 3 clean outs.

Seond hand is clear I think. I wouldn't 3-b that much BTN vs CO, the rest is standard, you should of course call OTF and OTT you just don't have the odds to call. Your overs are worth very little and you again are not drawing to the nuts, so I would just completly discount my overs, they will balance with his NFDs and will count just 9 outs which is not nearly enough to call. BTW even if you are 100% sure that both your FD and your overs are good the call is still -EV. You need to win in 34% and you will win in 34%, but the pot will be raked 8.8BB, so with the call you are losing 8.8BB.


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KatalonacX
Joined: 22.11.2013

In first hand turn is fold, do not have enough odds for call and fold equity for all-in...
In second hand similar spot, fold.


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venatici
Joined: 15.03.2010

I would play both hands exactly the same.
Please next time post them in separate threads.


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